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  posted on 12/24/2008 at 08:22 PM
How many of the tracks on "The Fillmore Concerts" are the same as "LAFE"? Are most from different nights? Tell me why I should purchase "The Fillmore Concerts" if I already know and love LAFE.
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  posted on 12/24/2008 at 08:26 PM
The Fillmore Concerts include One Way Out and an unedited Stormy Monday (harp solo). Others may have more info.
 

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  posted on 12/24/2008 at 08:38 PM
alos along with what LP58 said, FC has a different Hotlanta, Whipping Post intro is different, has Mountain Jam and Drunken Hearted Boy, Don't Keep Me Wondering, Trouble No More and One Way Out also. Solos have a slight difference on YDLM, some feedback is eliminated also at the end of a note. Shoulda left it.
Listen close to Hot Lanta you can hear a saxaphone on the decending run down from e to d flat.
Barry's opening bass line on At Fillmore East is quite a bit more intense and you get Duane chatter before Whipping Post on At Fillmore East.
FC has some other chatter before Hot Lanta.
Mountain Jam opening is missing on FC...but you do get Mountain Jam, same as on Eat a Peach.

More I'm sure I've missed.

So tracks that are the same are, Liz Reed ( other than some chatter at the end ) Statesboro Blues, Done Somebody Wrong....and actually those are the only 3 that are actually 100 % the same on AFE and the FC. ....I think I'm dizzy from this now.

[Edited on 12/25/2008 by Haisija]

 

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  posted on 12/24/2008 at 09:02 PM
The Fillmore Concerts also has Duane introducing the band members (after MOUNTAIN JAM i believe). At the end of DRUNKEN HEARTED BOY Duane says "that's all for tonight" and says that they recorded the entire show... "you're all on it. We won't send you no check but thanks for your help."

 

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  posted on 12/24/2008 at 09:54 PM
The bass is muffled or buried and the drums sound sorta flat on The Fillmore Concerts. If you're looking for the extra songs, then AFE Deluxe Edition is the better option, IMO. The Fillmore Concerts, in my view, is really only worth getting if you're a collector who has to have everything ever released by the ABB. Just my $0.02. YMMV.

 

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  posted on 12/25/2008 at 12:21 AM
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I purchased Fillmore Concerts on the day of its release and equally quickly discarded it after realizing Duane's guitar is hopelessly burried in the mix.


That's true. When I first got into the Allman Brothers all we had around was the FC. I've always listened to it and love it, but I've heard some tracks off other releases on Pandora radio and I definitely like the way that they are mixed more. Zambi, I agree about the rhythm section, goes along with Duane in the mix, just not that great. Enough so that I plan on buying the original cd soon.

 

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  posted on 12/25/2008 at 01:00 PM
You should not get the Fillmore Concerts. You should get AFE Deluxe. This has the same expanded track list as the Fillmore Concerts but with the original mix.

 

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  posted on 12/27/2008 at 12:55 PM
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You should not get the Fillmore Concerts. You should get AFE Deluxe. This has the same expanded track list as the Fillmore Concerts but with the original mix.


Stuff like this is bothersome -- the ABB has repackaged & put out an incredible # of greatest hits/best ofs/compilations/box sets etc. -- they take the Fillmore album, repackage it as the Fillmore Concerts talking it up about how it's THE one to have -- and it ends up sounding like **** . Then they put out the deluxe edition that supposedly corrects the probem etc etc etc...there will be another in the future that they'll say is the best Fillmore East yet, you can be pretty sure of that
Just get the original Live At Fillmore East, and Eat A Peach, that's the best bet IMO

 

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  posted on 12/27/2008 at 01:02 PM
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Listen close to Hot Lanta you can hear a saxaphone on the decending run down from e to d flat.




I just noticed this the other day too....
So-ooo, could this version of Hot 'Lanta have been recorded the opening night--the evening with the horn section??

Man, they should just stick out the whole 3-night deal and let us decide what's "best"....

 

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  posted on 12/27/2008 at 01:48 PM
Well AFE Deluxe and The Fillmore Concerts aren't the same recordings with different mixes. They may have the same songs, but there are differences in the recordings as Haisija pointed out. That's why I say The Fillmore Concerts might be worth it to completists/collectors that have to have everything. But otherwise I agree that AFE Deluxe is the one to get.

As for all the various masters/remasters out there, I know this has been discussed to death around here but I'm still not sure what the correct answer is as to what versions are the "best" versions. I believe one rule of thumb mentioned here previously is that the "Capricorn Classics" versions are all very good, although those versions might not be in print anymore now that Capricorn II is out of business. But I would think that Polydor would still be using those versions just without the Capricorn name, except for the albums that have been released as "Deluxe" versions, which have been remastered yet again both in their original format and the extended "Deluxe" versions. I'm no expert though, and others here are who can (and hopefully will) chime in on which versions of which albums are the best on CD.

 

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  posted on 12/27/2008 at 02:16 PM
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Well AFE Deluxe and The Fillmore Concerts aren't the same recordings with different mixes. They may have the same songs, but there are differences in the recordings as Haisija pointed out. That's why I say The Fillmore Concerts might be worth it to completists/collectors that have to have everything. But otherwise I agree that AFE Deluxe is the one to get.

As for all the various masters/remasters out there, I know this has been discussed to death around here but I'm still not sure what the correct answer is as to what versions are the "best" versions. I believe one rule of thumb mentioned here previously is that the "Capricorn Classics" versions are all very good, although those versions might not be in print anymore now that Capricorn II is out of business. But I would think that Polydor would still be using those versions just without the Capricorn name, except for the albums that have been released as "Deluxe" versions, which have been remastered yet again both in their original format and the extended "Deluxe" versions. I'm no expert though, and others here are who can (and hopefully will) chime in on which versions of which albums are the best on CD.


My point is that AFE Deluxe restored the original mix.

 

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  posted on 12/27/2008 at 05:40 PM
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You should not get the Fillmore Concerts. You should get AFE Deluxe. This has the same expanded track list as the Fillmore Concerts but with the original mix.


agreed. I have both and wish I had never bought the Fillmore Concerts just b/c I never listen to it. AFE Deluxe is the way to go. Get Eat a peach deluxe too if you don't have it.

 

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  posted on 12/27/2008 at 06:00 PM
For me, the deluxes are mostly worth owning for the bonus discs...I think you can find far better sounding pressings of LAFE and EAP....such as the MFSL gold discs. Just make a couple of CDRs of the two gold discs, add the few songs missing and voila; the best sounding "deluxe edition" available...imo.




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  posted on 12/27/2008 at 07:23 PM
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My point is that AFE Deluxe restored the original mix.

And original recordings! Not trying to be a jerk about it, as re-reading my post I know it could've looked like I was calling you out on it or something. Not my intention. I was just trying to draw the distinction between different mixes (of the same recordings) and different recordings of different performances used on Fillmore Concerts. My point was that in addition to the mix of the same recordings being different on Fillmore Concerts, the actual recordings used in the mix on Fillmore Concerts were also different in a few songs than what appeared on AFE...i.e., different performances of the same song (or sections of the song) that appeared on the original AFE. Haisija pointed out most of those differences in his second post, and I believe one of the guitar solos in one of the songs on Fillmore Concerts was cut & spliced from a different performance of the same song from a different night at the Fillmore.

So if you really have to have every performance/recording of the ABB, then Fillmore Concerts might be a worthwhile addition to your collection along with AFE/AFE Deluxe.

But yeah, we're in 100% agreement that AFE Deluxe is the version to have.

 

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  posted on 12/27/2008 at 11:27 PM
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You should not get the Fillmore Concerts. You should get AFE Deluxe. This has the same expanded track list as the Fillmore Concerts but with the original mix.


agreed. I have both and wish I had never bought the Fillmore Concerts just b/c I never listen to it. AFE Deluxe is the way to go. Get Eat a peach deluxe too if you don't have it.


Looks like I have to go out and get the AFE Deluxe version.

 

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  posted on 12/27/2008 at 11:39 PM
I think with the Deluxe edition you get a "Midnight Rider," too, which does not appear on The Fillmore Concerts.

 

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  posted on 12/27/2008 at 11:42 PM
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I think with the Deluxe edition you get a "Midnight Rider," too, which does not appear on The Fillmore Concerts.


OK...so now I definately go out and buy a festivus present for myself this week.

 

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  posted on 12/27/2008 at 11:56 PM
Great convo!

Another vote for the deluxe edition

 

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  posted on 12/28/2008 at 12:08 AM
Which "Hot Lanta" is on the Fillmore Deluxe version?

The original from the LP version, or the alternate with the sax on it?

Also, is the "Stormy Monday" on the Deluxe version the edited one or the full length one?


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  posted on 12/28/2008 at 08:25 AM
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Which "Hot Lanta" is on the Fillmore Deluxe version?

The original from the LP version, or the alternate with the sax on it?

Also, is the "Stormy Monday" on the Deluxe version the edited one or the full length one?




The Stormy Monday on the De Luxe version is identical to the one on AFE. The Fillmore Concerts version is the same version with Thom Doucette's harmonica solo reinstated.

Hot Lanta on De Luxe is the same version as on AFE. There ain't no whiff of a sax!

With all the tinkering which has gone on, I'm surprised no-one has corrected Dickey's bum note on Mountain Jam (12.15 AFE De Luxe and EAP, 12.22 Fillmore Concerts)!




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  posted on 12/28/2008 at 08:32 AM
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Another vote for the deluxe edition
same here deluxe edition is so much better

 

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  posted on 12/28/2008 at 09:58 AM
I have always wondered WHAT WERE THEY THINKING??? with the mix on The Fillmore Concerts. One of the worst mixes you could come up with. Duane is turned WAY down and all the instruments sound like they are playing in different rooms.

Someone earlier mentioned that they bought this album when it came out and quickly discarded it because of the mix. I did exactly the same thing. Huge disappointment. Don't buy it, burn it or bother with it.

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  posted on 12/28/2008 at 11:13 AM
Hot Lanta on De Luxe is the same version as on AFE. There ain't no whiff of a sax!


I like the guitar solos much better by Duane and Dickey on the original LP than on TFC.
Gotta get Deluxe this week. Sheet, I was so confused by all these Fillmores...and the show which supposed to not exist.

 

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  posted on 12/28/2008 at 12:11 PM
Also, You Don't Love Me on the The Filllmore Concerts has a different 6minute intro....
It's the same one they used on the Quadronphonic mix way back when....
I was at the Thursday 3/11/71 'horns" show and was thrilled to see one song, Hot 'Lanta, included on the FE Concerts.....

 

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  posted on 12/28/2008 at 12:41 PM
The way I remember it, the "Live at the Fillmore East" was recorded outside using a recording truck. I believe the other Fillmore tapes are from the soundboard.
 
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