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  posted on 12/21/2005 at 04:41 PM
Canadian court lifts ban on “swingers” clubs
Group sex among consenting adults not a threat to society, it says

Updated: 2:33 p.m. ET Dec. 21, 2005
OTTAWA - Group sex among consenting adults is neither prostitution nor a threat
to society, the Supreme Court of Canada ruled on Wednesday as it lifted a ban on
so-called “swingers “ clubs.

In a ruling that radically changes the way courts determine what poses a threat
to the population, the top court threw out the conviction of a Montreal man who
ran a club where members could have group sex in a private room behind locked
doors.

“Consensual conduct behind code-locked doors can hardly be supposed to
jeopardize a society as vigorous and tolerant as Canadian society,” said the
opinion of the seven-to-two majority, written by Chief Justice Beverley
McLachlin.

The decision does not affect laws against prostitution because no money changed
hands among the adults having sex.

“Bawdy house“ proprietor's appeal
The court was reviewing an appeal by Jean-Paul Labaye, who ran the L”Orage
(Thunderstorm) club. He had been convicted in 1999 of running a “bawdy house” “
defined as a place where prostitution or acts of public indecency took place.
Labaye “ who is still running L”Orage despite his earlier conviction “ said he
was relieved, and would now go ahead with a new venture with backing from a
group of Florida investors.

“We hope clients will be more calm. This will probably lead the way to a good
future,” he told reporters, saying he was looking at adding a Jacuzzi and a
swimming pool.

Labaye said he had about 2,000 regular clients who paid around $20 ($17 U.S.) a
year for a membership card.

Lawyers for Labaye and the owner of another swingers” club in Montreal argued
that consensual sex among groups of adults behind closed doors was neither
indecent or a risk to society.

The Supreme Court judges agreed.

“Criminal indecency or obscenity must rest on actual harm or a significant risk
of harm to individuals or society. The Crown failed to establish this essential
element of the offense. (Its) case must therefore fail,” McLachlin wrote.
In indecency cases, Canadian courts have traditionally probed whether the acts
in question “breached the rules of conduct necessary for the proper functioning
of society”. The Supreme Court ruled that from now on, judges should pay more
attention to whether society would be actively harmed.

Deviant, maybe, but not dangerous
This seemed to ensure there could be no repeat of Labaye”s original conviction
for causing “social harm” by allowing degrading and dehumanizing group sex to
take place.

The judges said that just because most Canadians might disapprove of swingers”
clubs, this did not necessarily mean the establishments were socially dangerous.

“The causal link between images of sexuality and anti-social behavior cannot be
assumed. Attitudes in themselves are not crimes, however deviant they may be or
disgusting they may appear,” the judges said, noting that no one had been
pressured to have sex or had paid for sex in the cases the court considered.

“The autonomy and liberty of members of the public was not affected by unwanted
confrontation with the sexual activity in question ... only those already
disposed to this sort of sexual activity were allowed to participate and watch,”
they said.

They also dismissed the idea “ raised during Labaye”s original trial “ that
group sex was dangerous because it could result in the spread of sexually
transmitted diseases.

“Sex that is not indecent can transmit disease while indecent sex might not,”
they ruled.


------I wonder if more tourists from America will visit now

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  posted on 12/21/2005 at 04:47 PM
carlos i just posted about Club Karma Sutra being shut down in Philly a few weeks back.....first they sited fire code violations then they said that the building wasnt zoned as a sex club but the entire bulding was zoned as an apartment (meaning consentual sex was not allowed anywhere in the building)

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[Edited on 12/21/2005 by LinnieXX]

 

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  posted on 12/21/2005 at 05:53 PM
PICTURES!!!! WE WANT PICTURES!!!!

 

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  posted on 12/21/2005 at 05:54 PM
The Musk Oxen are liberated !

 

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  posted on 12/21/2005 at 06:30 PM
Now my wife has no excuses.
 

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“Sex that is not indecent can transmit disease while indecent sex might not,”



Well, thank goodness for that! I feel better already. (I think)

 

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  posted on 12/21/2005 at 06:32 PM
Linnie, what night were you there?

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  posted on 12/21/2005 at 10:00 PM
Quebec, here I come...

 

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  posted on 12/21/2005 at 10:12 PM
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  posted on 12/22/2005 at 08:26 AM
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Quebec, here I come...


It's all across Canada, so why bother with Quebec when you can come to Ontario? Toronto has swingers clubs, two of my friends run one called Club Abstract.



 

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  posted on 12/22/2005 at 09:44 AM
there are plenty of these kind of clubs all over america as well......most of them are membership only and with a huge cover to get in.....the club i mentioned earlier has a $2K/yearly membership fee along with a $100 cover charge every weekend. you have to bring your own booze too. if you are into 'live porno' its cool......but if you're not.......it is sorta weird.

definatly 'different'.

 

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  posted on 12/22/2005 at 09:49 AM
Linnie, in a related oddity

Seagate to Maxtor: "Me Love You Long Time" Wed Dec 21, 4:59 PM ET

We have some big news coming out of the hard drive manufacturing world today. Seagate will be acquiring Maxtor in a $1.9 billion merger. This sounds like it will be very good for the consumer because Maxtor is well-known for its horrible quality but good prices, while Seagate is known for offering pretty good quality for moderate prices. So theoretically combining the two could result in good hard drives for really cheap prices. Or not. The new merged company will be built upon Seagate's foundation and each Maxtor shareholder will receive 37 shares of Seagate in exchange.


------I guess orgies can also use that interesting headline.....oooops, used the word head

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hmmmn......Seagate is a good product..........Maxtor, not so good........so i hope this works out......but lately i've just been using Western Digital.

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  posted on 12/22/2005 at 10:17 AM
Might be a mini cruzer.

 

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  posted on 12/22/2005 at 10:26 AM
So I am heading for the nearest foreign border

Vancouver may be just my kind of town

Cause they don't need the kindof law and order

That tends to keep a good man underground

 

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  posted on 12/22/2005 at 10:27 AM
neil, neil, neil.........you dont have to go all the way to canada!

 

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  posted on 12/22/2005 at 10:35 AM
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"So I am heading for the nearest foreign border

Vancouver may be just my kind of town

Cause they don't need the kindof law and order

That tends to keep a good man underground"



hmmmmm, are those the alternate lyrics to Desparado?

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I take it you're not taking your Uncle with you, then?

 
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  posted on 12/22/2005 at 10:39 AM
Linnie,Linnie,Linnie......You don't have to pay for it !

Neil"I like to watch" Meharg

PS: Happiest of Holidays

Yea My Uncle will be tied up with my Aunt this Xmas!

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  posted on 12/22/2005 at 10:45 AM
Neil, ol man, we ALL have to pay.

Remember the veritable words spoken by the tragic figure Mariko in "Shogun".

Pillowing always has its price.
Always.
Not necessarily money, Anjin-san.
But a man pays for pillowing in one way, or in another.
True love, we call it duty, is of soul to soul and needs no such expression-
no physical expression, except perhaps the gift of death.

 

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  posted on 12/22/2005 at 10:48 AM
Carlos,so true ,so true

But its a price I am willing to pay.

 

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Neil, ol man, we ALL have to pay.

Remember the veritable words spoken by the tragic figure Mariko in "Shogun".

Pillowing always has its price.
Always.
Not necessarily money, Anjin-san.
But a man pays for pillowing in one way, or in another.
True love, we call it duty, is of soul to soul and needs no such expression-
no physical expression, except perhaps the gift of death.

so true...

 

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there are plenty of these kind of clubs all over america as well......most of them are membership only and with a huge cover to get in.....the club i mentioned earlier has a $2K/yearly membership fee along with a $100 cover charge every weekend. you have to bring your own booze too. if you are into 'live porno' its cool......but if you're not.......it is sorta weird.

definatly 'different'.
Well, that sounds like the voice of experience!

 

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hmmmn......Seagate is a good product..........Maxtor, not so good........so i hope this works out......but lately i've just been using Western Digital.

Linnie "oh baby is that a hard drive in your pocket?" XX
I like seagates drives alot... Western has been so-so for me... eff maxtor...

... and no... it's a floppy drive....

 

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  posted on 12/22/2005 at 11:12 AM
Now thousands of Canadian men can go from being a sexual disappointment to one woman to being a sexual disappointment to several woman at a time. So this is a good thing? (can someone insert the winking icon here for me?)

 

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