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  posted on 10/5/2005 at 06:52 PM
go to www.marijuana.com

forums drug testing

covers hair, urine, saliva, blood testing

very informative

not advocating, but I needed to learn about hair follicle testing and found lots of info there

 

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  posted on 10/5/2005 at 09:02 PM
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Hey Musicalbeds, just because I disagree with you about pot I am "ignorant" ?

If pot was legal, my choice would still be to not smoke it.

I spent way too many years of my life "justifying" behavior by picking and choosing which laws I wanted to follow are not. Spent 3 years in prison (non drug related charges) in account of those actions. Now I choose to follow the law as best I can, evern the ones I disagree with, like seat belts, helmets, ect. ect. ect. This is my choice to make, you can go smoke all the pot your lil heart desires. I am trying to set examples for my kids to follow
that hopefully later on they can't throw the "I saw you doin' it...why can't I ?"

I am sorry you can't have reasonable debate/conversation with an opposing view without
getting all bent out of shape. Refusing to answer me is your choice and I will not lose any sleep over it. Wonder what example that would give others ?..."someone disagrees with me so they are ignorant"

 

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  posted on 10/5/2005 at 10:01 PM
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Hey Musicalbeds, just because I disagree with you about pot I am "ignorant" ?


No, you're ignorant because;

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the issue is that it is illegal. I could care less as to why.



and while it's more apathetic than ignorant, my earlier point still applies;

"It astounds me that people here can call each other "brother" on one hand, yet endorse the jailing of the potsmoking segment of our board simply by staying silent and allowing the laws to stay unchanged."

I'm not asking you to smoke pot, endorse smoking it or hang out with people who do. But I, as a fellow "brother" expect you to see a wrong and add your voice to making it right. Jailing people for marijuana use is wrong but by your own words you could "care less".

You've been in jail so you know it's not for people who's only crime is marijuana. You also know it's a training ground for criminals. Yet you silently advocate jailing pot users.

I'm glad to hear you are trying to better yourself and help your children to be responsible, and I know you've done your debt to society and you don't have to give more...but maybe it's something to think about; adding your voice to the legalization of pot.

I am not trying to be harsh, but in my opinion, there's a lot of people who need to give their head a shake and get this issue dealt with NOW.

Because it won't go away....and we're wasting time, money and people's lives debating it.






 

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  posted on 10/6/2005 at 04:34 AM
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Spark it up Monkey!!!


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  posted on 10/6/2005 at 08:06 PM
greetings:

again for musicalbeds...If everyone who smoked pot grew there own you would then have an arguement for your point. The people who sell pot usually sell other drugs. So you have "the training ground for criminal activity" you mentioned. I dont' recall saying specificly that pot smokers should be jailed. You can speculate but it was actually about it being illegal and how that is in retrospect to drug testing. Which is the topic of this discussion. Most cops will not arrest, much less cite a person if they caught them merely smokiing a joint. They wiill however, scope the situation differently if that person is "loaded" and driving a car or has a reasonable amount more than for personal use in thier possesion. If you perhaps would try to understand what is being said, you wouldn't end up having the reactions you do. I respect your opinion and admire the passion you
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Good God that brings back memories of Jr.High school..........headphoes,Foghat (the Live LP) and rolling a fatty. Of course that was back in '78 &'79.........

 

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Good God that brings back memories of Jr.High school..........headphoes,Foghat (the Live LP) and rolling a fatty. Of course that was back in '78 &'79.........




I heard on a news show recently that the MJ being smoked today in the US is "40 times"
more potent than what was being used in the 70's. Can anyone verify or attest to that?

 

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Good God that brings back memories of Jr.High school..........headphoes,Foghat (the Live LP) and rolling a fatty. Of course that was back in '78 &'79.........




I heard on a news show recently that the MJ being smoked today in the US is "40 times"
more potent than what was being used in the 70's. Can anyone verify or attest to that?




Sounds Good to me

 

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Good God that brings back memories of Jr.High school..........headphoes,Foghat (the Live LP) and rolling a fatty. Of course that was back in '78 &'79.........




I heard on a news show recently that the MJ being smoked today in the US is "40 times"
more potent than what was being used in the 70's. Can anyone verify or attest to that?


More Drug War Lies.

 

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  posted on 10/13/2005 at 12:54 PM
Lest we let this thread just wither and die...


Drug agents can't keep up with pot growers By John Ritter, USA TODAY
Thu Oct 13, 6:34 AM ET



In the waning days of a record season, a helicopter buzzes treetops here in a remote corner of the "Emerald Triangle," redwood country notorious as the USA's premier producer of marijuana. (Photo gallery: Rooting out pot hot spots)



State narcotics officers from CAMP - Campaign Against Marijuana Planting - are searching for "gardens" to eradicate and find six on a warm, cloudless day.


They strap onto a 150-foot cable dangling from the chopper, drop into the pot patches, hack down the plants and bundle them for the chopper to haul back to a landing zone.


Perhaps $500,000 worth of America's favorite illegal drug is trucked off for burial. It's not a big day by CAMP standards: 813 plants that fill a pickup bed. In this ever-growing illicit market, agents routinely find plots of 5,000 and 10,000 plants that require dump trucks to dispose of.


In the 2005 growing season, CAMP says it so far has destroyed more plants than ever - 1.1 million worth $4.5 billion on the street, up from 621,000 plants last year. But agents still lost ground to growers. No longer is marijuana cultivation the cottage industry that flourished in the 1960s and '70s after waves of counterculture migrants bought cheap land in the northern California mountains and grew pot for their own use and extra income.


Mexican criminals using sophisticated methods have spread the marijuana industry across California, traditionally the nation's main domestic source because of a mild climate and vast stretches of isolated landscape ideal for clandestine growing, say the authorities.


As recently as 10 years ago, the Emerald Triangle counties of Humboldt, Mendocino and Trinity grew virtually all of the state's pot. Now every California county that's not desert has a problem. Because of tighter security on the southern U.S. border, Mexicans simply made a business decision to move north.


"In the last two or three years almost 100% of the gardens we've eradicated are Mexican drug cartel gardens," says James Parker, the senior narcotics agent who oversees CAMP. "It's alarming if you think about it."


Today's high potency weed is so valuable - $5,000 or more for a pound of buds on the East Coast - that big operators employ armed guards who camp in pot gardens for months, nurturing plants that grow to 15 feet and taller. A state Fish and Game officer was wounded and a suspect shot and killed in a Santa Clara County bust in June, the fourth incident in two years.


Scarring the landscape


There would be more violence if growers weren't able to flee at the sound of a helicopter looking for gardens, says Jack Nelsen, CAMP's regional operations commander here. "This time of year, they won't go far -- the plants are worth too much," he says. "If we don't come back soon enough they'll be in there harvesting until we do."


Fishermen and hikers stumble onto armed men in the woods who threaten them and demand that they leave. Pot-growing has become epidemic both on privately owned timber tracts and public lands in California, including national forests and parks.


"A lot of terrain is so rugged and dense with foliage you wouldn't think about taking your family to those areas," Parker says. "It's amazing how much work these Mexicans put in to get a crop out."


Growers scar the landscape by crudely terracing hillsides that erode under winter rain. They spill pesticides, fertilizer and diesel fuel used to power generators that run extensive drip-irrigation systems. They dam creeks for water sources, plant salsa gardens, disfigure trees and leave behind tons of garbage, human waste and litter.


"They'll pour fertilizer right into a stream, then irrigate out of it," says Alexandra Picavet, a Sequoia National Park ranger. "That creates algae blooms, hurts fish and animals and contaminates downstream." Since 2001, officers have destroyed 105 pot gardens covering 181 acres in the park but have had enough money to clean up fewer than half the sites. "We think that for every one we've been able to eradicate, there's another one out there," Picavet says.


CAMP's critics equate the program with Prohibition in the 1930s.


"Look at the amount of economic value we're destroying," says Dale Gieringer, director of California NORML, the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws. "This could be legally taxed and regulated and we could all be making money off it. We never saw this lawlessness until there were drug laws and CAMP." NORML estimates that Californians' pot consumption could yield at least $250 million a year in sales taxes.


Gieringer also says that, despite the government's assertion, there is no evidence that Mexican cartels are involved in the cultivation.

Roger Rodoni is a cattle rancher and registered Republican who has represented a conservative district in Humboldt County - conservative by local standards, anyway - on the board of supervisors since 1997. He calls CAMP "an exercise in futility."

"It's a vast expenditure of public funds that for all practical purposes does no good," Rodoni, 65, says. Demand for marijuana keeps growing, and CAMP has done little to stem the supply, he says. As evidence he points to a drop in the price of "the quality stuff'" from $6,000 a pound a few years ago to $3,000 today.

A June report for Taxpayers for Common Sense by Harvard economist Jeffrey Miron found that despite billions of dollars spent on marijuana suppression - nearly $4 billion by the federal government in 2004 alone - usage is about the same as 30 years ago.

CAMP, an arm of the state attorney general's office, was formed in 1983 to help understaffed local authorities ferret out large-scale marijuana crops grown for profit, particularly in isolated areas far from roads where helicopters were needed. Five eradication teams deployed in different regions of the state operated this year on a $1.1 million budget, about three-quarters of it supplied by the federal Drug Enforcement Administration.

CAMP agents, with help from local sheriff's deputies and loaners from the National Guard, the state forestry department, the U.S. Forest Service and the National Park Service, have arrested 42 suspects, seized 76 weapons and raided 742 gardens.

But CAMP has made little headway penetrating and prosecuting the Mexican hierarchies allegedly behind most of the busted gardens. "They're similar to al-Qaeda, they're cells," says Sgt. James "Rusty" Noe of the Mendocino County sheriff's office. "We go out and find some guy in the garden and we arrest him, he's not going to know anything."

Since last year, two CAMP investigative teams have concentrated on tracking the Mexican drug bosses, and arrests have been made in Fresno and Redding. Parker says he'll ask for three more investigative units for 2006.

CAMP teams start reconnaissance flights in early spring as growers are preparing gardens - clearing land, setting up water systems, hauling in supplies and setting up campsites. When agents see a garden from the helicopter they fix its location with GPS.

Growers adapt to surveillance

Seizures have risen dramatically because of more aggressive air surveillance and larger gardens. But growers have adapted, CAMP's Nelsen says. They used to plant uniform plots in open ground - marijuana thrives in full sunlight - but those were easily spotted, even from an airplane at 5,000 feet.

Now gardens are tucked under the forest canopy, often on steep slopes, and strung out along hillside contours so they're much harder to see. Growers expect many of their gardens to be busted, so they put as many plants in the ground in as many locations as they can.

"It's a lot like what they do on the border," Parker says. "They'll try to send 70 cars through thinking a few are going to get picked off and that it's a cost of doing business."

These days, other counties have eclipsed the Emerald Triangle in confiscated marijuana. Shasta County led the state as of last week, according to CAMP figures: 209,864 plants eradicated compared with 52,133 all of last year.

The Central Valley counties of Tulare and Fresno, two of the nation's biggest agricultural producers, now rank No. 2 and 4. Mendocino had the fifth most plants seized, and Humboldt has slipped to No. 12. CAMP doesn't operate in California's two most populous counties, Los Angeles and San Diego, because authorities there have ample resources to go after marijuana themselves, Parker says.

"The Mexicans have basically found out how easy it is to find locations and find people to work these gardens," Nelsen says. "These organizations are even moving into some of the eastern counties in snow country."

Cultivation of medical marijuana, legalized by California voters in 1996, has expanded the supply, particularly from indoor production, and complicated efforts to crack down on the illegal market.

CAMP doesn't bother with medical marijuana growers, even large ones who say they're providing pot to many sick people. "We're not here to take anyone's medicine away," Nelsen says.

But medical marijuana has made it harder to figure out who the bad guys are, Noe says. The law left it up to counties and cities to set guidelines. Some have zero tolerance for medical marijuana; others have set limits on the number of plants. Mendocino County is wide open.

"The amount of marijuana cultivated in this county almost doubled because anybody can grow it in their backyard," Noe says. "The criminal element has taken advantage of the law."

Mendocino County started going after pot growers in the early 1980s after a spate of violence. Six deputy sheriffs, a sergeant, a legal secretary and an evidence technician operated on a $500,000 budget, Noe says. Today, it's Noe, a deputy and a $300,000 budget.

But with CAMP's help, the cops are more effective, he says, more than doubling the number of plants destroyed in the county compared with early years.

And each of those plants carries a lot more kick today. No more of the baggies with stems and seeds that baby boomers remember from their college days. Growers learned to "sex" the plants - cull the males early in the season to deny the females pollination and prevent buds from going to seed.

In a futile effort to attract pollen, the female plants produce more and more THC, the active ingredient and the source of marijuana's "high." The plant's buds get fatter and fatter. By September, they're sticky with THC and ready to harvest. "Back in the '60s and '70s the stuff imported from Mexico, there wasn't much bud to it," Noe says. "If it was good quality maybe the THC was 5%."

Tests nowadays find THC content as high as 21%, he says.

 

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  posted on 10/13/2005 at 02:55 PM
Great post, Ozziepie, after I thought this thread was long since dead. As a California resident, let me add that, like most other Government agencies, Forest Ranger staff have been cut way back. They say there are numerous huge and professionally run pot farms in Sequoia National Forest with armed guards ready to shoot on site. Irrigation systems are complex and professional. They simply do not have the staff to monitor it anymore. Therefore, you are in danger if you simply should go hiking in the wrong place.
Marijuana is not going to go way, I admit not with people like me with a 30 year usage history around. More evidence that prohibition is not working and legalization is the way to go.
Since you re-started the thread, let me refer you and others to a link posted in a recent thread ("War on Weed is working") that a lot seem to have missed:

http://illuminati-news.com/marijuana-conspiracy.htm

 

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Great post, Ozziepie, after I thought this thread was long since dead. As a California resident, let me add that, like most other Government agencies, Forest Ranger staff have been cut way back. They say there are numerous huge and professionally run pot farms in Sequoia National Forest with armed guards ready to shoot on site. Irrigation systems are complex and professional. They simply do not have the staff to monitor it anymore. Therefore, you are in danger if you simply should go hiking in the wrong place.
Marijuana is not going to go way, I admit not with people like me with a 30 year usage history around. More evidence that prohibition is not working and legalization is the way to go.
Since you re-started the thread, let me refer you and others to a link posted in a recent thread ("War on Weed is working") that a lot seem to have missed:

http://illuminati-news.com/marijuana-conspiracy.htm


"In the 1930s, people were very naive; even to the point of ignorance. The masses were like sheep waiting to be led by the few in power. They did not challenge authority. If the news was in print or on the radio, they believed it had to be true. They told their children and their children grew up to be the parents of the baby-boomers."


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Good God that brings back memories of Jr.High school..........headphoes,Foghat (the Live LP) and rolling a fatty. Of course that was back in '78 &'79.........




I heard on a news show recently that the MJ being smoked today in the US is "40 times"
more potent than what was being used in the 70's. Can anyone verify or attest to that?


More Drug War Lies.







Drug agents can't keep up with pot growers By John Ritter, USA TODAY
Thu Oct 13, 6:34 AM ET

...............................And each of those plants carries a lot more kick today. No more of the baggies with stems and seeds that baby boomers remember from their college days. Growers learned to "sex" the plants - cull the males early in the season to deny the females pollination and prevent buds from going to seed.

In a futile effort to attract pollen, the female plants produce more and more THC, the active ingredient and the source of marijuana's "high." The plant's buds get fatter and fatter. By September, they're sticky with THC and ready to harvest. "Back in the '60s and '70s the stuff imported from Mexico, there wasn't much bud to it," Noe says. "If it was good quality maybe the THC was 5%."

Tests nowadays find THC content as high as 21%, he says.






 

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Peachstatedawg, I hate to burst a bubble here, but weeding out the male plants to keep the female fertile is not exactly new technology. A friend of mine (and an expert marijuana cultivator I might add) taught me that 30 years ago. Good bud has been around as long as I've been smoking, and obviously that's a long, long time. It just wasn't as prevalent back then as it is now. But then, you were going on 30 year old perceptions in your opinion of marijuana smokers as well (no vindictiveness intended, just a fact from your previous post in "Stuck on Stupid" thread).

 

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  posted on 10/13/2005 at 07:45 PM
Daisy, Stays in the sytem at least 45 days. Drink lots of water. After the test, go back to smoking and drink lots of water every day. Also, drink cranberry juice everyday...not tons, but 6-8 ounces. Keep that system flushed! A Rastafarian friend of mine says he has never failed a urine test by just drinking water everyday (about a gallon). And, of course, he smokes pot everyday.

 

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Daisy, Stays in the sytem at least 45 days. Drink lots of water. After the test, go back to smoking and drink lots of water every day. Also, drink cranberry juice everyday...not tons, but 6-8 ounces. Keep that system flushed! A Rastafarian friend of mine says he has never failed a urine test by just drinking water everyday (about a gallon). And, of course, he smokes pot everyday.


She already got the job MissElf,wasn't even a drugtest lol...

 

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Peachstatedawg, I hate to burst a bubble here, but weeding out the male plants to keep the female fertile is not exactly new technology. A friend of mine (and an expert marijuana cultivator I might add) taught me that 30 years ago. Good bud has been around as long as I've been smoking, and obviously that's a long, long time. It just wasn't as prevalent back then as it is now. But then, you were going on 30 year old perceptions in your opinion of marijuana smokers as well (no vindictiveness intended, just a fact from your previous post in "Stuck on Stupid" thread).




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The total thc was low because the weed was crappy in the old days with males and leaves
in the lid.

the female flowers were just as strong back then.

and even if 5% to 20% was comparing apples to apples and not apples to oranges
thats only a 4 time increase not 40.

You need to read a little more carefully dawg

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  posted on 10/14/2005 at 12:27 PM
People seemed to go into different directions with this topic. Being a cannabis consumer, I'm not going to tell someone to stop because it is illegal. However, since the OP said she had a hard time stopping for a day in order to prepare for her drug test, isn't that a little disconcerting? If I ever get to that point, I hope that I would realize by myself that I'm smoking too much, or that a friend/loved one would try to help. There is a difference between wanting to smoke pot, and needing to. Knowing the difference is the hard part.

I will get on a soapbox about the usage of pain pills, though. Unless a physician has prescribed pain pills for you to treat an ailment/illness, I would advise against messing around with them recreationally. At the least, I hope the OP has done her homework to see the interactions these pills have with other prescription/non-prescription meds you are taking.

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The total thc was low because the weed was crappy in the old days with males and leaves
in the lid.

the female flowers were just as strong back then.

and even if 5% to 20% was comparing apples to apples and not apples to oranges
thats only a 4 time increase not 40.

You need to read a little more carefully dawg

Peace
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[Edited on 10/14/2005 by johnwott]




I wasn't doing any math at all, nor was I making a comment. I simply pulled the quote from the USA Today story that Ozzypie posted because it dealt with the question of potency. I have no idea if the figures the writer used are accurate or not.



[Edited on 10/15/2005 by Peachstatedawg]

 
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