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  posted on 8/4/2005 at 11:59 PM
I visit a site that is dedicated to SE Ohio high school sports and they have a chat forum as well. One of the topics is the best five all time guiatrists and I was surprised to see one of the posts. Here's it is.

how could we all forget duane allman from the allman brothers band i feel so stupid

Then he listed his favorites as.

1. duane allman (allman brothers band)
2. jimi hendrix
3. eric clapton
4. robert johnson
5. dickey betts (allmam brothers band)


Just find it interesting how the ABB got mentioned on a high school sports site.

 
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  posted on 8/5/2005 at 12:00 AM
Clapton=overrated
 

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  posted on 8/5/2005 at 12:09 AM
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Agreed.

I loved his playing with Cream/Bluesbreakers/on Layla but then after that he just took J.J. Cale's songs and slowed them down, and played some poor covers of them IMO. Could someone tell me wtf is up with the happy acoustic version of Layla? It's a song about sadness/anguish/heartbreak not an overplayed springy happy/jaunty acoustic ballad.

 

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  posted on 8/5/2005 at 12:40 AM
That acoustic Layla makes me physically ill ....

That being said, the guy who played guitar w/
The Bluesbreakers, Cream and along side Duane
in the Dominoes isn't overrated ...

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  posted on 8/5/2005 at 12:50 AM


Could someone tell me wtf is up with the happy acoustic version of Layla? It's a song about sadness/anguish/heartbreak not an overplayed springy happy/jaunty acoustic ballad.


$$$$$$$$$$$....and lots of it!

I would have much preferred hearing Chuck Leavell's piano absolutely scorch on the original tempo, electric Layla!

Clapton overrated? Sometimes, yes.... when he's on, he's on and he's on about 90% of the time, imo. I think he has the personality of a dead fish, but the man can play and has alot of respect amongst his peers.

 

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  posted on 8/5/2005 at 01:09 AM
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Definately. Hate to say it, but after he sobered up around '73 he didn't do a damned thing. Cream was his peak, and Jack and Ginger were no slouches. Unplugged was nice, but c'mon, Joe Walsh and Dr John, as well as the Allmans, and Nirvana, all did better unplugged shows. He's quite boring on guitar, I don't think there's anything unique about his playing - just an Albert/Freddie King imitator who did a bunch of crappy covers (Clapton's "I Shot the Sheriff is bad," is that generation's version of Pat Boone's "Tutti Frutti"!).

 

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  posted on 8/5/2005 at 01:24 AM
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Could someone tell me wtf is up with the happy acoustic version of Layla? It's a song about sadness/anguish/heartbreak not an overplayed springy happy/jaunty acoustic ballad.




I would have much preferred hearing Chuck Leavell's piano absolutely scorch on the original tempo, electric Layla!




Libby, I know for fact that you would be happy hearing Chuck play Pop Goes The Weasel

 

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  posted on 8/5/2005 at 01:50 AM
IMO even in the Bluesbreakers days Clapton was at best third in England behind Peter Green and Jeff Beck. I love Clapton but I agree he is overrated - certainly not the best. Jimi, Duane, Peter Green, Jeff Beck all better thatn Clapton even in his young fiery days.
 

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  posted on 8/5/2005 at 07:01 AM
Interesting discussion. I would say that Clapton is a bit overrated, but of course that's not his fault. The problem is that everybody who knows nothing of guitar or music or blues or whatever thinks he's the best ever.

 

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  posted on 8/5/2005 at 07:10 AM
I have a difficult time saying that Clapton is overrated. Overplayed on the radio, perhaps, but overrated?

His best work might possibly be behind him, but look at him in the context of musical evolution ($hit's gettin' deep, ain't it?). He came along just before Jimi Hendrix, so I think it's fair to say that he influenced his playing. He was one of the first guys to take the electric guitar to the next level. I can't say that he invented tone, volume and feedback, but he certainly was at the forefront. Via his involvment with John Mayall, he was one of the first to re-introduce American blues music. I know that he was also a major influence on Duane Allman. I've heard some of the original blues guys, including B.B. King thank him by name for keeping the blues alive.

 

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  posted on 8/5/2005 at 07:23 AM
Agreed, Clapton overrated.

Chuck playing Pop Goes the Weasel? He could boogie woogie his way through anything!

 

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  posted on 8/5/2005 at 07:53 AM
Clapton overrated? Y'all are a tough crowd!

 

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  posted on 8/5/2005 at 08:38 AM
I don't understand the problem with the acoustic Layla. Give the guy credit for reworking one of the top 5 classic rock songs of all time into a worthy acoustic performance, and adding a near-perfect solo.

As for his being overrated, I don't think you can say that. Previous posts have detailed what he's done for the music. He was around before all the other guys mentioned in this thread and was very innovative. True, his output since he started his solo career hasn't exactly seen any guitar innovation, or even musical innovation, but I don't think you can make the argument that it stinks. Nor can you make the argument that he's only good when he's pushed by someone else. Can't you give the guy the benefit of the doubt and say maybe his tastes changed? Maybe he worked more on the pop side of things because he wanted to, weird as that may seem. And in the process he came out with some of the best pop music we've ever seen. Overplayed or not, Wonderful Tonight, Tears in Heaven, My Father's Eyes, Cocaine, etc. are very good songs and have stood the test of time. That said, I saw him on his last tour and his show was completely scripted. Oh well.

 

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  posted on 8/5/2005 at 08:41 AM
Overrated, nope

Commercialized at times, yes
Sappy at Times, yes
Slowing down some as he ages, yes
Maybe he does come across cold and aloof

But

This is the guy who pretty much set the standard for blues and rock guitar in the 60's and 70's.
He has never fogotton his roots and who his heroes are.

 

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  posted on 8/5/2005 at 08:48 AM
Jimi Hendrix.......NOW your talking overrated!!!....
 

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  posted on 8/5/2005 at 08:49 AM
I don't think clapton is overrated... my fav peroid for him is the bluesbreakers/cream/D&D era....
I really enjoyed from the cradle and unplugged...

 

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  posted on 8/5/2005 at 09:15 AM
*1. duane allman (allman brothers band)
2. jimi hendrix
3. eric clapton
4. robert johnson
5. dickey betts (allmam brothers band) *

Johnson usually sneaks into many people's favorites, but at the expense of other blues musicians who were just as great. He is similar to Eric Clapton when looking at it from this particular angle. It's almost a question of, why are they more popular out of all their contemporaries?

There is going to be backlash when somebody has the title of "greatest"-I have my beefs with Clapton's art/direction, but he certainly isn't over-rated. Keef once called him "lazy", which I thought was hilarious.

 

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  posted on 8/5/2005 at 09:20 AM
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Overrated, nope

Commercialized at times, yes
Sappy at Times, yes
Slowing down some as he ages, yes
Maybe he does come across cold and aloof

But

This is the guy who pretty much set the standard for blues and rock guitar in the 60's and 70's.
He has never fogotton his roots and who his heroes are.


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Jimi Hendrix.......NOW your talking overrated!!!..




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  posted on 8/5/2005 at 09:23 AM
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IMO even in the Bluesbreakers days Clapton was at best third in England behind Peter Green and Jeff Beck. I love Clapton but I agree he is overrated - certainly not the best. Jimi, Duane, Peter Green, Jeff Beck all better thatn Clapton even in his young fiery days.


Peter Green?? C'mon man. I do agree that Duane, Jimi, Beck, jimmy, and Duane were all more advanced players than Clapton.

 

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IMO even in the Bluesbreakers days Clapton was at best third in England behind Peter Green and Jeff Beck. I love Clapton but I agree he is overrated - certainly not the best. Jimi, Duane, Peter Green, Jeff Beck all better thatn Clapton even in his young fiery days.


Peter Green?? C'mon man. I do agree that Duane, Jimi, Beck, jimmy, and Duane were all more advanced players than Clapton.


I would have to put Peter Green up there also, his playing was brilliant. Pick up Fleetwwod Mac at the BBC and listen to Peter's blues songs, his playing and singing will rip your heart out.

 

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  posted on 8/5/2005 at 09:43 AM
*I would have to put Peter Green up there also, his playing was brilliant. Pick up Fleetwwod Mac at the BBC and listen to Peter's blues songs, his playing and singing will rip your heart out.*

One of my favorites-he's the best blues player out of the lot in my opinion. Better than Eric, Duane, & etc. In terms of dynamcis & effect, he was quite powerful.

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  posted on 8/5/2005 at 10:08 AM
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Which is why I only play in the privacy of my own home! If people think Clapton is overated ... there's no tellin' what kind of rotten fruit and vegetables they'd throw at me!

 

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IMO even in the Bluesbreakers days Clapton was at best third in England behind Peter Green and Jeff Beck. I love Clapton but I agree he is overrated - certainly not the best. Jimi, Duane, Peter Green, Jeff Beck all better thatn Clapton even in his young fiery days.


Peter Green?? C'mon man. I do agree that Duane, Jimi, Beck, jimmy, and Duane were all more advanced players than Clapton.


I would have to put Peter Green up there also, his playing was brilliant. Pick up Fleetwwod Mac at the BBC and listen to Peter's blues songs, his playing and singing will rip your heart out.


Also pick up Boston Blues by Fleetwood Mac. Peter Green is a genious. He was the real deal in Fleetwood Mac. Until they brought in Stevie who turned them into a complete pop band.

 

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  posted on 8/5/2005 at 10:21 AM
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That acoustic Layla makes me physically ill ....

That being said, the guy who played guitar w/
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[Edited on 8/5/2005 by Dino]


I agree some of his stuff stinks but that stuff is on.

 

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  posted on 8/5/2005 at 10:41 AM
I wouldnt say Clapton "stinks" but he does have material that comes off much better than some other things he's done.

Yeah, he remade Layla accoustically, and its nothing like the original...but its still pretty **** in' cool...I love Clapton's accoustic work. Clapton going accoustic was sort of like when Dylan went electric...some people didn't know what to think, or what to do with it.

For every clunker you may think he's got, he's got two or three amazing tunes....and that ain't bad.

 

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