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  posted on 7/21/2005 at 12:01 AM
who do u think of the new age jam bands is most like the abb, i know no one could ever take their place but some bands are kinda like them and pretty good. heres a few i think
New monsoon
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North Missisipi Allstars

 
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  posted on 7/21/2005 at 12:08 AM
umm be nice people. I don't think anyone will ever have their sound again. Derek Trucks Band is the closest to me and they have eastern influences. Warren's playing with the Mule has small hints but they're more of a heir to the late 60's British Rock. I would go with Derek Trucks Band, personally.

 

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  posted on 7/21/2005 at 12:42 AM
Mule/DTB.

 

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  posted on 7/21/2005 at 12:44 AM
The Duke Ellington Orchestra

 

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  posted on 7/21/2005 at 01:44 AM
John, your answer goes with your avatar!

Jess, I'll go with dTb, too--with reservations. The Eastern and generally international things are a little different from the original Allman Brothers, but they are largely in keeping with the original's approaches to improvisation. The most significant difference may be the dTb's lack of a progressive country or roots sound. For this you could consider NMA more in keeping with the overall ABB range, Bottleneck, but I don't think they're gifted enough to go very deep in any direction within that range.

Sonny Landreth gets wa-a-ay deep into several rootsy genres, plus hard blues and full-tilt rock, some overlapping nicely with the ABB, and he really makes personal stylistic innovations in each. He's funky and swinging, but his repertoire does not include "true" jazz or R&B. Some of his lyrics and singing have a sweet soulfulness to them, but they are pretty much devoid of the weary melancholy and gruffness that permeate the Allman Brothers' vibe, especially that of the current band--a difference that is not necessarily bad.

Sonny's band is not improvisatory in a group-exploration way, so he cannot be a true "heir" to the ABB. As amazing as the solo things Sonny comes up with off the top of his head are--and he's about as talented an individual player as exists these days (he and often Jeff Beck)--every song almost always stays within pretty strict prearrangements. He goes deep in his solos, and his band's performances are awesomely impressive. Once you witness a few shows, though, you realize that a given song is almost always going to proceed the same way every time, and his bass and drums, as good as they are (especially Dave Ranson on bass), are basically there to support Sonny, not contribute equally to discovering new worlds.

 

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  posted on 7/21/2005 at 06:25 AM
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This is crap!!!

Count Basie's Orchestra would kick Duke's a$$!!!

 

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  posted on 7/21/2005 at 06:47 AM
I have heard Gregg mention this many times in intereviews." We are not a jam band..we are a band that jams." Which is so true.There is a difference . I really do not care for most of these " jam bands" out there like Phish, String Cheese, Moe. etc...to me there music seems kinda goofy,whimsical, senseless noodling, not very heart felt. I guess I don't find it to be very structured. I am not saying it's bad...just not my cup of tea thats all. It would have to be a band that still could produce quality for many years to come, keep the intensity and diversity in their music from all of their influences and different styles they play. Maybe I really can't give a good answer since I am not into the hurky jerky, whurly twirly" jam band" thing, but I do not seeing anyone being able to do this. I do enjoy WSP though. They are good. If anyone or group could even do this it would probably be Gov't Mule as far as the longevity and quality goes. Warren is very important to the music scene. What he brings to the table in all aspects of it is unbelivable.(We all ready know that thought!!!)

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  posted on 7/21/2005 at 07:09 AM
I'm thinking, Lefty And The No Mercy Band!!!!

 

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  posted on 7/21/2005 at 07:15 AM
I'll take the Woody Herman band!

 

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  posted on 7/21/2005 at 08:17 AM
Besides the extended family like Mule and the Derek Trucks Band, I actually think our friend who started this thread had some good suggestions.

The North Mississippi All-Stars are a worthy heir to the blues-rock part of the Allmans legacy. They aren't as diverse and don't have the jazz influences, but in terms of bringing it live and paying homage to the roots of the blues, nobody out there does it better. Check out their excellent "Hill Country Revue" live album, you'll thank me later!

New Monsoon is the best band of any kind to emerge in the last ten years, in my opinion. There is a power and grandeur to their music that I associate with the Allman Brothers, and they actually play some of their songs, like Elizabeth Reed. The thing I love most about them is that they have instrumentals that have structure and aren't just noodling jams, as our friend jszfunk talks about. "Mountain Aire" and "Bridge of The Gods" are incredibly exciting instrumentals to me, and I'm anxiously awaiting their next studio album, which was produced by original Santana drummer Michael Shrieve.

Anytime talented musicians put aside their egos to create music that is more than the sum of its parts, the Allman Brothers musical legacy will live on!

 
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  posted on 7/21/2005 at 08:31 AM
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I'm thinking, Lefty And The No Mercy Band!!!!

wow, that's awfully nice of you to say...I will tell you I don't think anyone will ever be a worthy sucessor (?) to this band..they always have been and always will be my favorite band to see..

 

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  posted on 7/21/2005 at 08:41 AM
...I've got to get a hold of New Monsoon show...I've heard so many great things.

I don't know about this ABB throne thing. I just don't see anybody thats exploring music quite that way. The DTB will have a throne of their own very soon I'm sure.

When the whole Jamband thing was getting started - H.O.R.D.E. Fest etc.- in the early 1990's people talked about this heir to the throne thing of The Dead/ABB quite a bit. You could make the case that both Phish and Panic succeeded in that regard. Tremendous music, long jams and cool songs with lots of improv and HUGE setlists and of course a big fan base...Yeah those guys did what was expected of them for sure.

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  posted on 7/21/2005 at 08:48 AM
While it's certainly just opinion and speculation, I'd agree with Eddie that Widespread Panic would be the "next in line" as it were...They've got the fan base and song catalog in place to continue to stay on "top"....

Bands like New Monsoon and NMAS, while excellent, are several years away from reaching that pinnacle...

'Course after seeing Lefty's band, he prolly should be placed right up there...great sheeit

 

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  posted on 7/21/2005 at 09:06 AM
Well, at the risk of sounding like a moron (when has that ever stopped me ), I'd say the heirs of the Allman Brothers Band are the heirs of the Allman Brothers Band, a couple of whom have already been mentioned.

Heirs can continue a legacy without necessarily following in the same footsteps.

 

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  posted on 7/21/2005 at 09:14 AM
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While it's certainly just opinion and speculation, I'd agree with Eddie that Widespread Panic would be the "next in line" as it were...They've got the fan base and song catalog in place to continue to stay on "top"....

Bands like New Monsoon and NMAS, while excellent, are several years away from reaching that pinnacle...

'Course after seeing Lefty's band, he prolly should be placed right up there...great sheeit



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  posted on 7/21/2005 at 10:08 AM
..Yep, Panic is THE ONE - and I'm proud to say I've known it all along since I first saw them in 1990. They have done it, and have done it on their own terms - lots of touring, great albums, hard work and very sound business decisions. Panic is a well-oiled machine that has survived it all - even the untimely death of a founding member when they were on top of the world. I am very proud of those guys, they are great people and deserve all the success they get....and they will NEVER sell themselves out...Go Panic!
 
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  posted on 7/21/2005 at 10:12 AM
My first Panic show was in a bar in 1992....hooked ever since. I saw Mikey's very last show in 2002....front row in Cedar Rapids...In between, maybe 30 times, and each time was something special....I actually haven't seen them since, but seems like I probably should....lot's of good reports coming from their current tour....

 

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  posted on 7/21/2005 at 10:25 AM
Yeah Chad, I just got a recent show from just a few weeks ago....smokin! George has really found his nitch and is just soaring right now. Some of the new songs are really cool as well. I'm amazed every time I hear David Schools at just how incredible he is. His bass playing is so solid and tight that audience recordings actually sound like soundboards...Damn he can play.
 
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  posted on 7/21/2005 at 10:42 AM
Right on! He's as solid as they come no doubt...

And for my money, you just can't beat JB....the epitome of coolness....that dude has it going on...probably my favorite vocalist....

 

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  posted on 7/21/2005 at 10:46 AM
Yep...JB's the man for sure. The guys got so much cool and stage presence without even trying...he's a natural. ...and his vocals, whew - a style all his own..
 
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  posted on 7/21/2005 at 10:57 AM
Well, damn....I'm going to have to listen to some Panic tonight...heh

 

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  posted on 7/21/2005 at 11:33 AM
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This is crap!!!

Count Basie's Orchestra would kick Duke's a$$!!!


have you got Basie vs Duke on SACD?

I'd call it a tie.

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  posted on 7/21/2005 at 11:37 AM
I sampled some of Tishamingo's stuff just last night and they have some obvious ABB influences...Though no one I think can really take the ABB throne, and no one here expects them to...collectively with the aformentioned bands, we're in good hands for a while.

[Edited on 7/21/2005 by crowesmule]

 

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  posted on 7/21/2005 at 01:39 PM
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..Yep, Panic is THE ONE - and I'm proud to say I've known it all along since I first saw them in 1990. They have done it, and have done it on their own terms - lots of touring, great albums, hard work and very sound business decisions. Panic is a well-oiled machine that has survived it all - even the untimely death of a founding member when they were on top of the world. I am very proud of those guys, they are great people and deserve all the success they get....and they will NEVER sell themselves out...Go Panic!


nope not to me. they don't have the vocalists, they play more psychadelic stuff, and their stuff isn't as classic. Just my opinion. I love Panic, but no, not them for me.

 

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  posted on 7/21/2005 at 01:39 PM

although, George McConnell does play very similarly to Duane, which is good of course

 

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