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  posted on 7/16/2005 at 04:47 PM
never did hear from anyone on why dickey left the band

 

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  posted on 7/16/2005 at 04:50 PM
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never did hear from anyone on why dickey left the band


Welcome Jim,

Dickey didn't just leave. Look through the site and you will probably find the answer(s).

And by the way....

WELCOME

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  posted on 7/16/2005 at 04:55 PM
ask gina
 

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  posted on 7/16/2005 at 05:00 PM
Please,

Let Gina be the last one you ask. And if you do, please call her on the phone.

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  posted on 7/16/2005 at 06:17 PM
thx there bluedad i'll keep lookin; but like i said,i've been out of circulation for a while

 

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  posted on 7/17/2005 at 12:36 AM
OK, if you havent found it yet, here is what my understanding of it is.

(The abbreviated version)

The rest of the band couldnt take some of Dicky's problems anymore. Apparently everyone else but Dicky had "cleaned up" to some extent. Dicky was not playing at his best, he was getting arrested for "problems" with his wife, he didnt want to rehearse, he was being a "bully", nobody in the group could write new music due to the tension, etc etc etc.

They didnt actually "fire" him, but rather they told him he needed to check himself in somewhere for substance abuse problems by such and such a date, or they *would* fire him.

He didnt and so they did.

Then the new songs started to flow again.

Thats just my understanding of it from all the internet posting that took place back then. It might be totally true, partially true, or completly off base.

I love the ABB like no other band, and the same for Dicky Betts. I wish they were still together and performing at their best, but they're not...and so we have 2 awesome bands to listen to and enjoy instead of one. The current ABB is an incredible unit...and Dicky's music since the seperation has been wonderful.

Hope that helps.

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  posted on 7/17/2005 at 12:20 PM
blahhhhhhhhhh

 

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  posted on 7/17/2005 at 12:43 PM
This better not be a disguised attempt to start another "Bring Back Dickey" thread.
 

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  posted on 7/17/2005 at 12:48 PM
I think he's secretly working on mastering "FREEBIRD"!

 

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  posted on 7/17/2005 at 02:43 PM
D28guy, what the heck are you talking about? The band is far more advanced now than in 99 2000 or even 95. Derek reminds them all of why they started in the first place. Yeah, Dickey left rehearsals after only playing his songs, so Gregg said in the Hittin' the note interview. I don't think he ever thought they'd fire him. I think they really do want him to do well and be well.

 

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  posted on 7/17/2005 at 02:43 PM
Also, Gregg and Butch were ready to quit before they fired him.

 

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  posted on 7/17/2005 at 03:34 PM
you know i dont really know to much about what happened with everything and as far as im concerned its none of my business. would i love to see Dickey back with the Allmans? hell yeah i would, but right now that just aint happening...just like D28guy said "so we have 2 awesome bands to listen to and enjoy instead of one." and you know what that is exactly how i feel about it, maybe someday everything will be forgive and forget but for right now they are both doing their own things and the music sounds great and as long as they are both happy playing their own music that is all that matters...THE MUSIC

 

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  posted on 7/17/2005 at 04:53 PM
Nothing to worry about...you will be getting a fax and day now to explain everything.
 

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  posted on 7/17/2005 at 07:09 PM
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OK, if you havent found it yet, here is what my understanding of it is.

(The abbreviated version)

The rest of the band couldnt take some of Dicky's problems anymore. Apparently everyone else but Dicky had "cleaned up" to some extent. Dicky was not playing at his best, he was getting arrested for "problems" with his wife, he didnt want to rehearse, he was being a "bully", nobody in the group could write new music due to the tension, etc etc etc.

They didnt actually "fire" him, but rather they told him he needed to check himself in somewhere for substance abuse problems by such and such a date, or they *would* fire him.

He didnt and so they did.

Then the new songs started to flow again.

Thats just my understanding of it from all the internet posting that took place back then. It might be totally true, partially true, or completly off base.

I love the ABB like no other band, and the same for Dicky Betts. I wish they were still together and performing at their best, but they're not...and so we have 2 awesome bands to listen to and enjoy instead of one. The current ABB is an incredible unit...and Dicky's music since the seperation has been wonderful.

Hope that helps.

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For someone who calls themself a fan, you sure don't act like one. His name is spelled "DICKEY". Not Dicky, Dickee, Dickie. It's DICKEY.

 

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  posted on 7/18/2005 at 04:13 AM
Jessica0717,

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"D28guy, what the heck are you talking about? The band is far more advanced now than in 99 2000 or even 95. Derek reminds them all of why they started in the first place"


Actually, I dont know what YOU are talking about. I couldnt have been more clear that in my opinion the current band is incredible. If I didnt think so I wouldnt have all of these boatloads of instant lives I've spent a lot of money on.

Derek is absolutly incredible, as is Warren. I didnt say that I wish Dickey were back and they were playing the way they did at the end. They were NOT at their best then. I specifically said that I would love for Dickey to be back with the ABB and everyone were playing at their best. Why? Because he is an original member. I am not in any way shape or form pitting one ABB lineup against another lineup.

The current group is sensational.

Peace,

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[Edited on 7/18/2005 by D28guy]

[Edited on 7/18/2005 by D28guy]

 

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  posted on 7/18/2005 at 04:27 AM
Chris,

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"For someone who calls themself a fan,...


Have you seen my signature?

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"...you sure don't act like one." His name is spelled "DICKEY". Not Dicky, Dickee, Dickie. It's DICKEY.


Maybe you are a newcomer but I've seen so many different spellings and 1st names in the last 33 years...Dicky, Dickey, Richard, etc...used to refer to him (and that HE has chosen to use) that I just got it wrong.

I apologise to Dickey and to you for upsetting you.

Peace,

Mike




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  posted on 7/18/2005 at 06:43 AM
I never quite bought into the notion that "the band is better than ever," "THIS is the sound the band's been searching for," "boy the concerts since 2000 blow away all those 'bombastic' shows of the 1990s," etc etc.
People HAVE to say those things in order to justify Dickey not being in the band -- the fact is, fans went crazy at almost all their shows since the 1989 Dreams reunion. People raved about the band when Jacvk and Otiel joined in 1998. Before then there was hardly a show w/Warren and Allen that wasn't a killer. About the one exception to this is the Peakin at the Beacon CD, which shows the band on an off-night.
This continuous revisionist history & knocks on Dickey Betts make long-time fans roll their eyes.
Dickey apparently was a tough guy to be around & work with -- musically, his 30 years with the band was inviolate. So let's cool it with the "they're better than they ever have been" talk. Yes the current ABB rocks, but that has always been the case with this band.
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  posted on 7/18/2005 at 07:56 AM
Since we're revisiting this tired subject, I did have a fresh thought (are you all rolling your eyes?)
Dickey didn't change one bit from the man he's always been. It's the rest of the band, the original members, that went through a transformation. A new holier than thow (spell?) attitude set in when the so-called sobering up finally occurred.
There were plenty of shows I've attended over the thousand years (it seems), when Gregg was walked out, sat down at his organ, and garbled his way through a few sets. There were plenty of shows he almost didn't make because he'd just be revived from near death. There were plenty of shows where the fans had to wait for hours while Gregg was arguing with a wife, flying in from some hospitalization, sobering up so he could walk.
I don't ever remember Dickey not being able to walk to his spot on stage and play up a storm, no matter what condition he was in, no matter who he had just punched out.
And, I agree, let's drop this "the band has never been better" **** . It has. So many of the fans haven't been around long enough to even know.
As far as the band members that made the decision to fax Dickey his walking papers (and Willie Perkins and Red Dog). That's called chicken.


 

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  posted on 7/18/2005 at 09:27 AM
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I think he's secretly working on mastering "FREEBIRD"!


It wouldn't bother me if Dickey Betts joined Skynyrd and played beside Gary Rossington. I don't know how it would work or sound, but I know I would be there to see a show. And then if Johnny Van Zant could bow out, then Skynyrd could get a REAL lead singer, somebody with a small amount of talent. Maybe Donnie Van Zant would like a shot at being a Skynyrd player.


Anyway, over the last few years it has become the high point of fashion on this forum to create a username, something like GitRDun, JoeBob, etc, and then to pretend to not know why Dickey is out of the abb. I wonder, is Gregg Allman behing the usernames? Is is Rowland or Lana? Anyway, it is pretty obvious that in perpetually mentioning Dickey in this casual and slanderour way, the authors are trying to SELL the current lineup by comparison.


So, the ABB has a new sound. Of Phucking Course the abb has a new sound, Dickey is out of the band, and he was always half of the guitars in the band, and he was the only guitar in the band from 1972 to 1976. Dickey was the salvation of the allman brothers in the seventies. Personally, I'd rather hear Dickey's happier guitar work. Derek and Warren really play some serious heavy music, and I think that is some of what is wrong with it for me.

The new music doesn't make me feel happy, and actuallly it can bring me down sometimes. It is not the most joyful music to me. And that is just me. Anyway, whoever keeps doing this has to try to SELL the new band in another fashion. I am seeing right through this ploy. The new band is great, and hold this in contrast to the drunk old wife bashing diccckeee bettssse. That phucking hasbeen dickkbettss.

Maybe Butch is behind this campaign?


And I know JoeBob would be just as happy bashing Skynyrd. Hey, compare derek and warren to Skynyrd---- or better yet, to fat stupid johniee vand zent.


Dickey doesn't play much like warrane or dericka.

Thank God.





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  posted on 7/18/2005 at 09:29 AM
Elagrua, thanks for a nice reality check; yeah, let's not forget that Dickey for many, many years carried this outfit, and I go back to my first show with the band in 1974. That said, both Gregg and Butch have said they were ready to fly the coop if Dickey stayed, and from everything else I've read, the entire band was behind the decision to boot Dickey. Despite Gregg's storied history of substance abuse problems, he got it together, and they were all getting to the age where if you did not get it together, you are risking your life. Apparently Dickey did not get it. The interview with Gregg in the latest "Hittin' The Note" has some interesting remarks........I quote from memory because I loaned it out to someone: "I didn't even bother bringing in my songs from Searching For Simplicity because I knew they wouldn't be used. Dickey would show up, teach everyone his songs, and leave." Once a band is no longer a democracy, the end is near. Let me add to Elagrua's remarks: Dickey was probably the strongest writer in the band, and I saw 7 or 8 shows with Dickey, not a weak one among them, and he carried some of those shows. Obviously, however, it was time to part ways. Maybe this says it all: About six months after they booted Dickey, I picked up a copy of People magazine which someone left in the break room at work. "Dickey Betts arrested again for domestic violence, punched his wife in the face while she was driving their car."
 

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  posted on 7/18/2005 at 09:38 AM
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I think he's secretly working on mastering "FREEBIRD"!


It wouldn't bother me if Dickey Betts joined Skynyrd and played beside Gary Rossington. I don't know how it would work or sound, but I know I would be there to see a show. And then if Johnny Van Zant could bow out, then Skynyrd could get a REAL lead singer, somebody with a small amount of talent. Maybe Donnie Van Zant would like a shot at being a Skynyrd player.


Anyway, over the last few years it has become the high point of fashion on this forum to create a username, something like GitRDun, JoeBob, etc, and then to pretend to not know why Dickey is out of the abb. I wonder, is Gregg Allman behing the usernames? Is is Rowland or Lana? Anyway, it is pretty obvious that in perpetually mentioning Dickey in this casual and slanderour way, the authors are trying to SELL the current lineup by comparison. So, the ABB has a new sound. Of Phucking Course the abb has a new sound, Dickey is out of the band, and he was always half of the guitars in the band, and he was the only guitar in the band from 1972 to 1976. Dickey was the salvation of the allman brothers in the seventies. Personally, I'd rather hear Dickey's happier guitar work. Derek and Warren really play some serious heavy music, and I think that is some of what is wrong with me. The new music doesn't make me feel happy, and actuallly it can bring me down sometimes. It is not the most joyful music to me. And that is just me. Anyway, whoever keeps doing this has to try to SELL the new band in another fashion. I am seeing right through this ploy. The new band is great, and hold this in contrast to the drunk old wife bashing diccckeee bettssse. That phucking hasbeen dickkbettss.

Maybe Butch is behind this campaign?


And I know JoeBob would be just as happy bashing Skynyrd. Hey, compare derek and warren to Skynyrd---- or better yet, fat stupid johniee vand zent.


Dickey doesn't play much like warran or dericka.

Thank God.




Relax, that was my weird sense of humor! I avoid these threads usually. And here's one for ya, I was backstage with Molly Hatchet Fri. (another favorite topic around here ), and those boyz ROCKED!!! Dave Hlubeck is back so there are 3 leads now. My head was spinning the next day and I didn't even drink. I love all music and am not bias or against anything really. Can't we all just get along. We're headed for World War III, so lets enjoy what we can. Peace..............

 

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  posted on 7/18/2005 at 09:38 AM
I don't know, but it seems to me that it was Gregg Allman who had become a LEGEND just for the many substances he put into his body. Maybe Dickey was right there snorting pounds of dope, etc, but you didn't hear as much about it. And maybe Dickey also was on heroin for a while, but I haven't heard about it. There are stories of Gregg being on heroin. So, was Gregg on heroin or not? I know it seems that these days Gregg pretty much denies ever having been on hard drugs, but it was hard drugs that almost led to his death a time or two. Wasn't Gregg brought back from the brink of death at least two times? Hasn't Gregg died twice and then been revived? That is what is in Midnight Riders, if I remember correctly. And while Dickey was regarded as an angry drunk at times, I don't think he was ever as far gone as Gregg. Sh!t, there is another legend all it's own in regards to Gregg and his abuse of recreational drugs. Sure, the band was on drugs to, but Gregg surely got most of the press.

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  posted on 7/18/2005 at 09:41 AM
Who isn't on drugs, raise your hand!

 

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  posted on 7/18/2005 at 09:46 AM
If you love The Carpenters and ain't on drugs, raise your hand!!!!
 

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  posted on 7/18/2005 at 09:49 AM
I can't top that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

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