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  posted on 5/17/2005 at 08:40 AM
There are a few holes in the policy of not being able to trade Instant Live CDs..however please don't interpret this as meaning that I think anyone should break policy. There are a lot of rules and laws that I disagree with, but as a member of a much larger community I do choose to follow them for the benefit of the whole. But that doesn't mean I can't vocalize my opinion.

With a few exceptions (ie the discs that eventually make it out into the retail stores...8/9/93 and 8/10/93 come to mind) there is a very limited print run on the Instant Live CDs...and once they're gone they're gone! The band and Clear Channel have made all the money there is to be made from the product...so trading the discs creates no real profit loss for them.

Of course, they may decide to officially release the discs in the future (again, like they've done with a handful of shows)...so perhaps that's why they don't allow trading. This I can understand.

However, due to such limited print runs, it is possible to profit from the Instant Live CDs without breaking policy: Buy two copies, sell one of them.

I've seen the 8/21/04 Mansfield show sell for $80.00. The 8/20/04 Gilford show, which unfortunatley had a very limited print run, sold on ebay for over $100.00. I've also seen the Fox Box go for considerably more money than people paid for it from Kid Glove. And these aren't CDR copies...these are the actual discs.

So in effect, the very rules that prevent people from making a profit off of the band are achieving the exact opposite effect.



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  posted on 5/17/2005 at 09:10 AM
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However, due to such limited print runs, it is possible to profit from the Instant Live CDs without breaking policy: Buy two copies, sell one of them.



It's just like a regular, retail purchase. Once you buy it, you can sell it for whatever the market will bear. I'm holding on to a copy of Hittin' The Note I bought on release day at a music store in Macon. One day I'll more than likely sell the whole package-cd, bag, and reciept.

 

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  posted on 5/17/2005 at 10:58 AM
There is nothing wrong with reselling an official release. I wish I'd bought extras at the Fox last year too! I had no idea people would pay $100 or more per show on Ebay, otherwise I would have bought 10 of each!

The band made their money already when you bought that extra copy to sell. Reselling it for whatever the market will bear is capitalism and free enterprise at its finest.

 

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  posted on 5/17/2005 at 11:29 AM
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I've also seen the Fox Box go for considerably more money than people paid for it from Kid Glove. And these aren't CDR copies...these are the actual discs.

[Edited on 5/17/2005 by dbeman]


Well, actually ALL instant live releases from the 2004 summer tour are CDR copies
and not factory made silvers.

And i do not want to make extra bucks on re-selling Instant Live shows to fellow fans
on ebay. Making big profit on them is like scalping tickets. It sucks.

Besides: when products go out of print (decision of band, managment and / or Record Company) it doesn't make them suitable for trading. it's still an official release!
The band will never be able to 100% stop bootlegging by profit-makers but they
have the right to wish and hope that their fan community respects their wishes and trading policies. I for myself still think that the ban on downloading ABB shows doesn't
make sense but i have to accept it. It's so cool people can tape shows (even at the
Clear Channel venues doing IL's) so let's not jepardise that.

again, just my 2 cents.

 

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  posted on 5/17/2005 at 11:31 AM
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There is nothing wrong with reselling an official release. I wish I'd bought extras at the Fox last year too! I had no idea people would pay $100 or more per show on Ebay, otherwise I would have bought 10 of each!

The band made their money already when you bought that extra copy to sell. Reselling it for whatever the market will bear is capitalism and free enterprise at its finest.


Exactly, and I don't have issue with that whatsoever.

Lets use the 8/20/04 Gilford, NH show as an example. Kid Glove has already stated that that particular show would only be available to those who purchased the entire tour...so you could argue that the band has already made their money on that show and, since it will never be released again, what would the harm be in trading the Instant Live version of that particular show?


 

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Well, actually ALL instant live releases from the 2004 summer tour are CDR copies
and not factory made silvers.


Well, I do know that, what I meant was that they're not selling self made copies of the show, they're selling the actual Instant Live discs.

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And i do not want to make extra bucks on re-selling Instant Live shows to fellow fans
on ebay. Making big profit on them is like scalping tickets. It sucks.


Same here. I was merely pointing out that it does happen, and it is beginning to happen with more regularity.

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Besides: when products go out of print (decision of band, managment and / or Record Company) it doesn't make them suitable for trading. it's still an official release!


I draw a distinction between Instant Live releases and official record company releases. I believe (although I could be wrong) that the band has more control over what they can do with Instant Live releases than they do with official releases from a record company.

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The band will never be able to 100% stop bootlegging by profit-makers but they
have the right to wish and hope that their fan community respects their wishes and trading policies.


And I do...like I said just because I disagree with the policy doesn't necessarily mean that I'll break it. You alluded to the same thing with the band's download policy (and I agree with you on that one!)

I'm just wondering what's closer to the band's vision to allow free trading of its live music: trading out of print instant live releases, or making a profit on them by buying several at the shows and selling them on ebay?

 

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  posted on 5/17/2005 at 12:32 PM
psst. I have a solution. FIND A WAY TO SELL YOUR SHOWS GUYS!! String Cheese, WPanic, Umphrey's McGee, Phish, Gov't Mule and others do it. Plus the Dead. Then they wouldnt have to worry about fans trading IL's. Anyone that says it's a venue issue is wrong, b/c the Dead play the same large venues the ABB does. Bottom line: They're the f**kin Allman brothers band; if they wanted to allow their shows to be downloaded and make a profitfrom them they could find a way.
 

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  posted on 5/17/2005 at 12:45 PM
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Anyone that says it's a venue issue is wrong, b/c the Dead play the same large venues the ABB does.

The Dead have a larger fanbase that makes that kind of thing a definite moneymaker for them.
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They're the f**kin Allman brothers band; if they wanted to allow their shows to be downloaded and make a profitfrom them they could find a way.

You'd think so, but who knows?

 

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  posted on 5/17/2005 at 01:03 PM
Yea so yea so yea so

 

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  posted on 5/17/2005 at 01:07 PM
i feel kind of bad about this but last year after the show in houston(which was the worst show i had seen or heard out of the abb in a few years) i put the instant lives up on ebay. The auction closed at 208 dollars.
 

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  posted on 5/17/2005 at 01:17 PM
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Anyone that says it's a venue issue is wrong, b/c the Dead play the same large venues the ABB does.

The Dead have a larger fanbase that makes that kind of thing a definite moneymaker for them.
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They're the f**kin Allman brothers band; if they wanted to allow their shows to be downloaded and make a profitfrom them they could find a way.

You'd think so, but who knows?


Well, Gov't Mule, Umphrey's McGee and Widespread Panic don't. Maybe with the overwhelming success of Instant Lives they will do that

 

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  posted on 5/17/2005 at 01:21 PM
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Anyone that says it's a venue issue is wrong, b/c the Dead play the same large venues the ABB does.

The Dead have a larger fanbase that makes that kind of thing a definite moneymaker for them.
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They're the f**kin Allman brothers band; if they wanted to allow their shows to be downloaded and make a profitfrom them they could find a way.

You'd think so, but who knows?


Well, Gov't Mule, Umphrey's McGee and Widespread Panic don't. Maybe with the overwhelming success of Instant Lives they will do that
I think I'm misunderstanding you.... Gov't Mule does sell their shows via internat DL.... maybe you could clarify what you meant...

 

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  posted on 5/17/2005 at 01:22 PM
Hey Jessica0717, Didn't you have a bunch of Instant Lives listed when when Roland cracked down on the trading?

 

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  posted on 5/17/2005 at 01:49 PM
I would like to drive 45 in a 35 zone near my house....it doesn't do any harm in this particular stretch of road because it really should be a 45 zone anyway, 35 just doesn't make any sense...why should I have to go 35 when clearly there is no harm in going 45? It just isn't fair, dammit! Stoopid rules.

So what were we talking about?

 

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  posted on 5/17/2005 at 02:53 PM
Before Rowland issued the crackdown on IL trading I sold last years Rosemont show to a guy in Germany for $270. I was shocked.
 

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  posted on 5/17/2005 at 04:08 PM
My point is that you seem to be one that trys to profit from this the availabilty of these recordings. The number of shows that you listed were posted in Rowlands thread by other not by me. I fear that people that do this jepordize (sp) the ability of legitimate traders such as myself here's just a sample of what was posted by other people.

This was a message I recieved from fast43. Does anyone know this jerk personally? I really did not appreciate being accused of something that isn't true. i am a very active trader and look to spread the music and this is what I get? Can anyone suggest anything?


 

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  posted on 5/17/2005 at 04:41 PM
I sent that in a private message in response to the PM you sent me.

There are a lot of people here that know this jerk. And a lot of people that trade shows with me.



[Edited on 5/17/2005 by fast43]

 

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  posted on 5/17/2005 at 04:48 PM
I read it. Thanks. Don't blame me for things that aren't true. You don't know me, nor have you ever traded with me. Good day. Everyone should know, that I respect the policies of the band.

Adam


 

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  posted on 5/17/2005 at 04:51 PM
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This was a message I recieved from fast43. Does anyone know this jerk personally?



I usually refer to him as brotherbill........


and yes he's a friend of mine.

 

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  posted on 5/17/2005 at 04:55 PM
not sure if this will help or hurt but Bill's a stand up guy in my book
 
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  posted on 5/17/2005 at 05:01 PM
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I sent that in a private message in response to the PM you sent me.

There are a lot of people here that know this jerk. And a lot of people that trade shows with me.
[Edited on 5/17/2005 by fast43]


Hi Bill! When are we going to trade some Todd again?

[Edited on 5/17/2005 by hoffcl]

 

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This was a message I recieved from fast43. Does anyone know this jerk personally?



I usually refer to him as brotherbill........


and yes he's a friend of mine.


Matt, he's prolly the guy that was behind me at the Fox on Saturday night

 

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  posted on 5/17/2005 at 05:29 PM
fast43 is definitely NOT a jerk...

But he is a Lounge member in good standing and I believe that counts for something here...

At least in my books.

 

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  posted on 5/17/2005 at 05:44 PM
Thanks for standing up for me.

 

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  posted on 5/17/2005 at 06:03 PM
Bill is most definitely NOT a jerk.

And he's got the coopins to prove it

And by the way, it's in VERY poor taste to publicly post a private message

 

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