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  posted on 2/27/2005 at 12:22 AM
Derek is the best guitarist ever!!!!!!

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  posted on 2/27/2005 at 12:45 AM
I respectfully disagree.

Someone please discern the difference between open tuning versus standard tuning, and we'll go from there.

Derek, bewildered soul that he is (in standard tuning), had all this thrust upon him at an early age - hence, he is forgiven.

Given time, Warren (the most complete singer/song writer/guitarist the ABB has ever known), will school him... Given the chance, which he has. And I, for one, will give Derek as much time as he needs. He (Derek) has unlimited potential. But potential does not always "feed the bulldog."

 

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  posted on 2/27/2005 at 01:10 AM
what is the significance besides personal preference and/or amount of slide one plays of the difference between standard and open-e ?
 

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  posted on 2/27/2005 at 01:47 AM
Open tuning is normal for Slide, but very very rare for finger style, and Derek is in the process of mastering it. Derek has always played in Open E, he only played in Standard for maybe a year when he first started at age 9. Warren may be a great frontman, singer, and song writer, but hes no way the best guitarist ABB has ever seen, i have to say Derek is the better player, in both styles, especially slide though. Dont forget who started this, theres no way Warren is better than Duane. You may be a little bias towards Warren soulpatch, but from any musicians standpoint Derek will be on top, Hes very very amazing, he plays some of the most complicated jazz on slide guitar, hes breaking down walls. His soul and feeling combined with his very technical style is an amazing addition to music.

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  posted on 2/27/2005 at 02:06 AM
Open tuning is more simple... It's the way the notes line up.

BTW, there is open D, G, Cm, etc.

Bottom line: Dolly Parton plays in open keys... fingernails and all. And we all know what an exceptional guitarist she is. (sarcasim implyed).

 

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  posted on 2/27/2005 at 02:13 AM
Yes, more simple for slide, and yes I know theres more open tunings, thats common sense. But to play open tuning like Derek with no slide is very hard. Im sorry, but Derek at age 12 was copying Duane better than Warren can today. Warren is very good, but Derek is a prodigy, hes insane. You can see I'm a Derek freak, but I truely believe hes surpassing most guitarists today, and he keeps getting better and better. Come on musicians, come back me up here, sometimes Warren fan boys wont accept that hes not the greatest guitarists ever.

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  posted on 2/27/2005 at 02:41 AM
Sorry Kragh, didn't mean to insult you.

There is an ABB cd where (if in stereo) the left side is Warren, and the right side is Derek. I might be mistaken on left/right, but the liner notes tales the tale.

When listened to; when ya know who's playing what... it puts it all in order.

Sorry, but the tape don't lie.

 

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  posted on 2/27/2005 at 02:49 AM
I think its very easy to tell them apart, very different tone, also the way they approach a solo. Both are great at putting together a solo, keep building and building till they explode. I didnt mean to come on strongly towards you, I apologize. Once you see the beacon dvd I found it extremely easy to tell them apart. I recommend you check out some Derek Trucks Band stuff to really see him in his element, check out the sample video on his website, shows him doing a short bluesly solo with tons of feeling.

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  posted on 2/27/2005 at 03:25 AM
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When listened to; when ya know who's playing what... it puts it all in order.

Sorry, but the tape don't lie.

So why do you think you know who's doing what and Kragh doesn't? It's very easy to tell them apart, you don't need to be an expert. I've heard plenty of both and I prefer Derek too. He's an innovator. Warren's a great player and a multi-talented guy who works in styles other people invented. Warren also pretty much just plays in one tuning with the Allmans. He plays all of his lead and slide parts in standard.

I don't think there's anything Warren is going to teach Derek. Derek knows the people Warren listens to already, and he's going in a different direction. On the other hand, if you've heard or been to enough concerts you can see Derek has influenced Warren's playing. Definitely more so than the other way around, I think.

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  posted on 2/27/2005 at 08:27 AM
I have noticed in the last few years that Warren has been showing signs of Derek in his playing. They are both two different sounds and players. Warren plays old school blues rock. Derek creates a delicate jazz/blues feel. Most musicians can play Warren's music; however, they have a hard time copying Derek's stuff. I am just glad that Derek wants to deliver a new sound and approach. This makes watching his career so much fun. I would not say that Derek is the best guitarist ever. I would say that he has surpassed Duane.
 

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  posted on 2/27/2005 at 10:10 AM
I prefer Derek, but absolutely love Warren....

that said... the only thing I prefer Warren for is those "woman ripped your heart out and handed it to ya" blues.... When Warrens playing about something like that it just feels to me like he's been there.... and I think that is essential for that particular aspect of the blues.... not all blues is like that but I don't get the feeling derek has been hurt really bad by a woman.... at least from his playing.... and while I don't know if warren has.... he sounds like it to me....

Derek is the only guitarist that continually amazes me... I keep thinking "I've heard this song 1000 times".... but each time he does something a little different and I'll think "Where the eff did that come from..... holy s**t.... "

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  posted on 2/27/2005 at 10:52 AM
Check out my thread in Shop Talk, you'll know which one it is. If you don't feel like it I'll just post here.


Derek is not the best guitarist ever. He's still growing as a guitarist and he hasn't been around long enough. There's plenty of people that are around for 4 or 5 years and then they're never seen again. Who knows if that's going to be Derek. He also spends too much time playing covers. He's just throwing away his talent. Derek needs to write more. His song's like Hey Driver!...What City? is a very well written song and so is the guitar part for This Sky. You can say "well maybe he likes playing covers" but it doesn't matter. Playing covers with little original music is no way to show your talent, unless you want to be seen as a wanker.

 

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  posted on 2/27/2005 at 11:07 AM
Respectfully, I disagree. I can give you more than a few names of people who at some point have had more than their share of covers in their setlists: John Coltrane, Miles Davis, Herbie Hancock, the list goes on. In jazz, as well as in whatever genre you want to define Derek in, each musician is so good on their instrument and so individual that when they do a cover, or a standard, they are able to put their own voice on it and make it a completely different song. Coltrane did My Favorite Things and Afro Blue. Miles had My Funny Valentine and Time After Time later in his career. Hell, Miles did Summertime, that's a whole album of covers. I have a Herbie Hancock show from 1997 where all he does are covers of famous pop tunes. He does a Beatles song, a Prince song, a Peter Gabriel song, a Don Henley song (all without vocals obviously), etc and it is some of the most compelling music I have ever heard. All jazz musicians play covers.
That said, give Derek some time. He's 27 for god's sake. He has plenty of time to write his own material, and I'd say he's dont pretty well so far.

 

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  posted on 2/27/2005 at 11:27 AM
I think Derek is one of those guitarists with sort of a one-of-a-kind sound to his playing. His lead style is really jazzy, and adds that jazz flavor to the ABB sound. And his slide technique is similar to Duane's: He doesn't use a pick, just his bare hands. Pair that sort of style with Warren's style and you've got a combo sweeter than s'mores!

 

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  posted on 2/27/2005 at 12:00 PM
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Respectfully, I disagree. I can give you more than a few names of people who at some point have had more than their share of covers in their setlists: John Coltrane, Miles Davis, Herbie Hancock, the list goes on. In jazz, as well as in whatever genre you want to define Derek in, each musician is so good on their instrument and so individual that when they do a cover, or a standard, they are able to put their own voice on it and make it a completely different song. Coltrane did My Favorite Things and Afro Blue. Miles had My Funny Valentine and Time After Time later in his career. Hell, Miles did Summertime, that's a whole album of covers. I have a Herbie Hancock show from 1997 where all he does are covers of famous pop tunes. He does a Beatles song, a Prince song, a Peter Gabriel song, a Don Henley song (all without vocals obviously), etc and it is some of the most compelling music I have ever heard. All jazz musicians play covers.
That said, give Derek some time. He's 27 for god's sake. He has plenty of time to write his own material, and I'd say he's dont pretty well so far.


Okay but all those Jazz guys did way more originals than covers. It's fine to do covers but you have to balance them with originals. Lemme give you an example:

2/12/05 Harlow's, Sacramento, CA
Set 1: So Close...So Far Away, Gonna Move, To Know You Is To Love You, Crow Jane, Greensleeves, Chevrolet, 44 Blues, Cheesecake
Set 2: Freddie's Dead, Going Down Slow, Pedro, Joyful Noise, Soul Stew, Everything Is Everything

originals: 2 though im not sure about so close so far away
covers: 12


 

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  posted on 2/27/2005 at 12:19 PM
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Derek is not the best guitarist ever.
PeachForPeace89, your opinion about Derek doesn't matter here anymore.

 

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  posted on 2/27/2005 at 12:57 PM
There is a long tradition among blues and jazz musicians to give respect to the legacy of those before them by playing "cover" tunes, and carrying on that legacy by putting their own stamp and their own personality into the presentation of those timeless classics.

For the most part this is improvisational, deeply personal, music and everyone has their own take on it.

I think it is very safe to say that Derek (and the DTB as a whole) has put their own stamp on each and every "cover" they have chosen to perform. And in that vain, they are very very much carrying on the musical traditions of those before them.

Sure, more "originals" would be welcome. But without even getting into the list of the songs, they must have performed at least an album or an album and a half of new material this year alone. Just listen, it's there, it's ALL there.

I would watch and listen to this band, anywhere, anytime, because these days, every night, these guys are taking us on the ride of our lives. Thank you DTB!!!

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Derek is not the best guitarist ever.
PeachForPeace89, your opinion about Derek doesn't matter here anymore.


Opinions can't not matter. That's a fact, not an opinion. What you said right there ^ is an opinion and I would like you to elaborate.

 

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  posted on 2/27/2005 at 01:33 PM
Elaborate? After last nights episode here where you felt it was okay for your friend to say what he did, means no one here will take into concideration anything you say, no matter where you choose to post your facts or opinions. You are no longer part of this family here, you don't know right from wrong and you chose to agree with something last night that was a big mistake on your part. You will not be forgiven around here for stating it was okay for your friend to say what he did.
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  posted on 2/27/2005 at 01:51 PM
... WHAT SHE SAID!!! I mean that respectfully though, I don't want to be seen as a wanker...

 

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  posted on 2/27/2005 at 02:34 PM
There is a big difference between opinions and insults there Peachforpeace.... and I've said that before. And I think your peer there is telling you to have opinion, when really he's just insulting people. Opinion is good yes, but arguing with someone that is posting there own opinion is just insulting. Be careful what you have your opinions on, because a lot of people will disagree, and that's no reason to get pissed off. That's why they elaborate and say why they disagree with you. You sir, when you post that you disagree something, you just laugh it off and don't know how to explain why you disagree. Hey, Philzone is looking for some more forum members. Go trot over there, see if they'll except you and your buddy.

 

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There is a long tradition among blues and jazz musicians to give respect to the legacy of those before them by playing "cover" tunes, and carrying on that legacy by putting their own stamp and their own personality into the presentation of those timeless classics.

For the most part this is improvisational, deeply personal, music and everyone has their own take on it.

I think it is very safe to say that Derek (and the DTB as a whole) has put their own stamp on each and every "cover" they have chosen to perform. And in that vain, they are very very much carrying on the musical traditions of those before them.

Sure, more "originals" would be welcome. But without even getting into the list of the songs, they must have performed at least an album or an album and a half of new material this year alone. Just listen, it's there, it's ALL there.

I would watch and listen to this band, anywhere, anytime, because these days, every night, these guys are taking us on the ride of our lives. Thank you DTB!!!

Jump on the peace train and catch them wherever and whenever you can


Rob, you're right. They play a lot of their unreleased originals at shows. Who's to say playing covers isn't fun? Isn't that what music is all about? Having fun, doing what you love.. showing your talent and passion. I have no problem with people playing covers. People say cover bands never go anywhere, which is somewhat true. It depends what covers you're playing. Pop song covers, or cover songs that arn't well known, and are brought out in a new light by the band covering it. What can be more fun than playing your influences songs, that yet have seen to be recognized? Still don't see what the problem is. If it ain't broke, why fix it.

 

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  posted on 2/27/2005 at 02:44 PM
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Derek is not the best guitarist ever. He's still growing as a guitarist and he hasn't been around long enough. There's plenty of people that are around for 4 or 5 years and then they're never seen again. Who knows if that's going to be Derek.

He's already been touring for 15 years, and I think the band is on the upswing.

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Playing covers with little original music is no way to show your talent, unless you want to be seen as a wanker.

I don't think Derek is worried about how he's seen. Especially by you. It's sort of like what Pam said.

 

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Elaborate? After last nights episode here where you felt it was okay for your friend to say what he did, means no one here will take into concideration anything you say, no matter where you choose to post your facts or opinions. You are no longer part of this family here, you don't know right from wrong and you chose to agree with something last night that was a big mistake on your part. You will not be forgiven around here for stating it was okay for your friend to say what he did.
Someday when you and your friend grow up, you will realize what you have done.


I never said it was okay to say that on a public forum. I said it was okay for him to think that because he's enitiled to his opinion. I said multiple times in that thread that he should be reported to Lana and Rowland and the thread was stupid.

 

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  posted on 2/27/2005 at 03:19 PM
Too late to try and talk your way out now. Word twisting will not help, too many people saw what you posted.

 

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