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  posted on 11/7/2004 at 12:24 PM
Published on Saturday, November 6, 2004 by CommonDreams.org
Evidence Mounts That The Vote May Have Been Hacked
by Thom Hartmann

When I spoke with Jeff Fisher this morning (Saturday, November 06, 2004), the Democratic candidate for the U.S. House of Representatives from Florida's 16th District said he was waiting for the FBI to show up. Fisher has evidence, he says, not only that the Florida election was hacked, but of who hacked it and how. And not just this year, he said, but that these same people had previously hacked the Democratic primary race in 2002 so that Jeb Bush would not have to run against Janet Reno, who presented a real threat to Jeb, but instead against Bill McBride, who Jeb beat.

"It was practice for a national effort," Fisher told me.

And some believe evidence is accumulating that the national effort happened on November 2, 2004.

The State of Florida, for example, publishes a county-by-county record of votes cast and people registered to vote by party affiliation. Net denizen Kathy Dopp compiled the official state information into a table, available at http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm, and noticed something startling.

While the heavily scrutinized touch-screen voting machines seemed to produce results in which the registered Democrat/Republican ratios largely matched the Kerry/Bush vote, in Florida's counties using results from optically scanned paper ballots - fed into a central tabulator PC and thus vulnerable to hacking &#8211; the results seem to contain substantial anomalies.

In Baker County, for example, with 12,887 registered voters, 69.3% of them Democrats and 24.3% of them Republicans, the vote was only 2,180 for Kerry and 7,738 for Bush, the opposite of what is seen everywhere else in the country where registered Democrats largely voted for Kerry.

In Dixie County, with 4,988 registered voters, 77.5% of them Democrats and a mere 15% registered as Republicans, only 1,959 people voted for Kerry, but 4,433 voted for Bush.

The pattern repeats over and over again - but only in the counties where optical scanners were used. Franklin County, 77.3% registered Democrats, went 58.5% for Bush. Holmes County, 72.7% registered Democrats, went 77.25% for Bush.

Yet in the touch-screen counties, where investigators may have been more vigorously looking for such anomalies, high percentages of registered Democrats generally equaled high percentages of votes for Kerry. (I had earlier reported that county size was a variable &#8211; this turns out not to be the case. Just the use of touch-screens versus optical scanners.)

More visual analysis of the results can be seen at http://us together.org/election04/FloridaDataStats.htm, and www.rubberbug.com/temp/Florida2004chart.htm. Note the trend line &#8211; the only variable that determines a swing toward Bush was the use of optical scan machines.

One possible explanation for this is the "Dixiecrat" theory, that in Florida white voters (particularly the rural ones) have been registered as Democrats for years, but voting Republican since Reagan. Looking at the 2000 statistics, also available on Dopp's site, there are similar anomalies, although the trends are not as strong as in 2004. But some suggest the 2000 election may have been questionable in Florida, too.

One of the people involved in Dopp's analysis noted that it may be possible to determine the validity of the "rural Democrat" theory by comparing Florida's white rural counties to those of Pennsylvania, another swing state but one that went for Kerry, as the exit polls there predicted. Interestingly, the Pennsylvania analysis, available at http://ustogether.org/election04/PA_vote_patt.htm, doesn't show the same kind of swings as does Florida, lending credence to the possibility of problems in Florida.

Even more significantly, Dopp had first run the analysis while filtering out smaller (rural) counties, and still found that the only variable that accounted for a swing toward Republican voting was the use of optical-scan machines, whereas counties with touch-screen machines generally didn't swing - regardless of size.

Others offer similar insights, based on other data. A professor at the University of Massachusetts, Amherst, noted that in Florida the vote to raise the minimum wage was approved by 72%, although Kerry got 48%. "The correlation between voting for the minimum wage increase and voting for Kerry isn't likely to be perfect," he noted, "but one would normally expect that the gap - of 1.5 million votes - to be far smaller than it was."

While all of this may or may not be evidence of vote tampering, it again brings the nation back to the question of why several states using electronic voting machines or scanners programmed by private, for-profit corporations and often connected to modems produced votes inconsistent with exit poll numbers.

Those exit poll results have been a problem for reporters ever since Election Day.

Election night, I'd been doing live election coverage for WDEV, one of the radio stations that carries my syndicated show, and, just after midnight, during the 12:20 a.m. Associated Press Radio News feed, I was startled to hear the reporter detail how Karen Hughes had earlier sat George W. Bush down to inform him that he'd lost the election. The exit polls were clear: Kerry was winning in a landslide. "Bush took the news stoically," noted the AP report.

But then the computers reported something different. In several pivotal states.

Conservatives see a conspiracy here: They think the exit polls were rigged.

Dick Morris, the infamous political consultant to the first Clinton campaign who became a Republican consultant and Fox News regular, wrote an article for The Hill, the publication read by every political junkie in Washington, DC, in which he made a couple of brilliant points.

"Exit Polls are almost never wrong," Morris wrote. "They eliminate the two major potential fallacies in survey research by correctly separating actual voters from those who pretend they will cast ballots but never do and by substituting actual observation for guesswork in judging the relative turnout of different parts of the state."

He added: "So, according to ABC-TVs exit polls, for example, Kerry was slated to carry Florida, Ohio, New Mexico, Colorado, Nevada, and Iowa, all of which Bush carried. The only swing state the network had going to Bush was West Virginia, which the president won by 10 points."

Yet a few hours after the exit polls were showing a clear Kerry sweep, as the computerized vote numbers began to come in from the various states the election was called for Bush.

How could this happen?

On the CNBC TV show "Topic A With Tina Brown," several months ago, Howard Dean had filled in for Tina Brown as guest host. His guest was Bev Harris, the Seattle grandmother who started www.blackboxvoting.org from her living room. Bev pointed out that regardless of how votes were tabulated (other than hand counts, only done in odd places like small towns in Vermont), the real "counting" is done by computers. Be they Diebold Opti-Scan machines, which read paper ballots filled in by pencil or ink in the voter's hand, or the scanners that read punch cards, or the machines that simply record a touch of the screen, in all cases the final tally is sent to a "central tabulator" machine.

That central tabulator computer is a Windows-based PC.

"In a voting system," Harris explained to Dean on national television, "you have all the different voting machines at all the different polling places, sometimes, as in a county like mine, there's a thousand polling places in a single county. All those machines feed into the one machine so it can add up all the votes. So, of course, if you were going to do something you shouldn't to a voting machine, would it be more convenient to do it to each of the 4000 machines, or just come in here and deal with all of them at once?"

Dean nodded in rhetorical agreement, and Harris continued. "What surprises people is that the central tabulator is just a PC, like what you and I use. It's just a regular computer."

"So," Dean said, "anybody who can hack into a PC can hack into a central tabulator?"

Harris nodded affirmation, and pointed out how Diebold uses a program called GEMS, which fills the screen of the PC and effectively turns it into the central tabulator system. "This is the official program that the County Supervisor sees," she said, pointing to a PC that was sitting between them loaded with Diebold's software.

Bev then had Dean open the GEMS program to see the results of a test election. They went to the screen titled "Election Summary Report" and waited a moment while the PC "adds up all the votes from all the various precincts," and then saw that in this faux election Howard Dean had 1000 votes, Lex Luthor had 500, and Tiger Woods had none. Dean was winning.

"Of course, you can't tamper with this software," Harris noted. Diebold wrote a pretty good program.

But, it's running on a Windows PC.

So Harris had Dean close the Diebold GEMS software, go back to the normal Windows PC desktop, click on the "My Computer" icon, choose "Local Disk C:," open the folder titled GEMS, and open the sub-folder "LocalDB" which, Harris noted, "stands for local database, that's where they keep the votes." Harris then had Dean double-click on a file in that folder titled "Central Tabulator Votes," which caused the PC to open the vote count in a database program like Excel.

In the "Sum of the Candidates" row of numbers, she found that in one precinct Dean had received 800 votes and Lex Luthor had gotten 400.

"Let's just flip those," Harris said, as Dean cut and pasted the numbers from one cell into the other. "And," she added magnanimously, "let's give 100 votes to Tiger."

They closed the database, went back into the official GEMS software "the legitimate way, you're the county supervisor and you're checking on the progress of your election."

As the screen displayed the official voter tabulation, Harris said, "And you can see now that Howard Dean has only 500 votes, Lex Luthor has 900, and Tiger Woods has 100." Dean, the winner, was now the loser.

Harris sat up a bit straighter, smiled, and said, "We just edited an election, and it took us 90 seconds."

On live national television. (You can see the clip on www.votergate.tv.) And they had left no tracks whatsoever, Harris said, noting that it would be nearly impossible for the election software &#8211; or a County election official - to know that the vote database had been altered.

Which brings us back to Morris and those pesky exit polls that had Karen Hughes telling George W. Bush that he'd lost the election in a landslide.

Morris's conspiracy theory is that the exit polls "were sabotage" to cause people in the western states to not bother voting for Bush, since the networks would call the election based on the exit polls for Kerry. But the networks didn't do that, and had never intended to.

According to congressional candidate Fisher, it makes far more sense that the exit polls were right - they weren't done on Diebold PCs - and that the vote itself was hacked.

And not only for the presidential candidate - Jeff Fisher thinks this hit him and pretty much every other Democratic candidate for national office in the most-hacked swing states.

So far, the only national "mainstream" media to come close to this story was Keith Olbermann on his show Friday night, November 5th, when he noted that it was curious that all the voting machine irregularities so far uncovered seem to favor Bush. In the meantime, the Washington Post and other media are now going through single-bullet-theory-like contortions to explain how the exit polls had failed.

But I agree with Fox's Dick Morris on this one, at least in large part. Wrapping up his story for The Hill, Morris wrote in his final paragraph, "This was no mere mistake. Exit polls cannot be as wrong across the board as they were on election night. I suspect foul play."

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  posted on 11/7/2004 at 06:59 PM
Interesting article. Any of the major networks pick it up yet?
 

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  posted on 11/7/2004 at 07:08 PM
I have not seen this on credible news sources such as CBS

 

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  posted on 11/7/2004 at 07:22 PM
I had mentioned before the election how Computer Scientists with
John Hopkins Univerisity had published papers showing the
vunerability to fruad of many of the electronic voting systems.

Dubya's brother stole another one?

Why I am not surprised.

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  posted on 11/7/2004 at 07:46 PM
I was not suggesting that major and credible were synonymous. CommonDreams.org may well be more credible than any of the major networks...
 

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  posted on 11/7/2004 at 08:10 PM
Dont forget the CIA killed Jimi,Janis and Jim Morrison

send that fat retard Michael Moore down to investigate and then he
can make another impartial documentary.

these kinds of threads rmind of the **** we used to worry about at age 15
while on hallucinagens

you guys crack me up

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  posted on 11/7/2004 at 09:05 PM
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Those exit poll results have been a problem for reporters ever since Election Day.

"Exit Polls are almost never wrong," Morris wrote. "They eliminate the two major potential fallacies in survey research by correctly separating actual voters from those who pretend they will cast ballots but never do and by substituting actual observation for guesswork in judging the relative turnout of different parts of the state."

How could this happen?

But I agree with Fox's Dick Morris on this one, at least in large part. Wrapping up his story for The Hill, Morris wrote in his final paragraph, "This was no mere mistake. Exit polls cannot be as wrong across the board as they were on election night. I suspect foul play."



How could this happen you ask. Have you ever thought that there might be a large group of voters, from BOTH camps, that are fed up with network election teams "calling" a state for a candidate before the votes are actually counted.Think of what several thousand of those voters, giving the opposite answer to whom they voted for, would do to skew the exit poll survey. If you don't think it could happen, look at the exit polls from this election. And, watch what happens in two years.

But then again, ya never know.

 

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  posted on 11/7/2004 at 09:21 PM
Just as I predicted, here we go...

 

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  posted on 11/8/2004 at 12:27 AM
this is some funny funny stuff

 

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  posted on 11/8/2004 at 11:19 AM
Its all true. Evidence will emerge that Karl Rove had stealth programmers insert visual basic scripts into the voting machines.

If vote = Kerry

then delete

insert vote2

vote2 = Dubya

 

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  posted on 11/8/2004 at 11:44 AM
I guess it doesnt bother the folks here that the two largest electronic voting machine companies are owned by fat cat Republican donors. I suppose further that it doesnt bother anyone that when Wally O'Dell, CEO of Diebold, promised to deliver Ohio for Bush that his comments shouldnt be a cause for concern.

Why is the software of adding votes, private? No one is allowed to view the sourcecode.

Why, when there are instances of electronic voting machine problems, does the benefit of more votes ever affect the non-Republican candidate? (not that I would want to win that way, but Im using it as an example)

I suspect that if the issue was reversed, the Right leaning members of this board would be screaming bloody murder at the thought that the vote might be hacked. Hell, they were whining and sniveling over the exit polls that showed Kerry kicking Bush's ass (another strange anomoly that somehow beat the odds).

 

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  posted on 11/8/2004 at 11:48 AM
This story really loses credibility early on. Janet Reno a threat to Jeb? Doesn't anyone remember that she sent tanks in on people for having odd religious beliefs? Clinton didn't have the balls to make it official, but that ended any political career that she could've ever hoped for.

 

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  posted on 11/8/2004 at 11:57 AM
Hey squatch, what about Ohio? It has more paper ballots than any other state. exit polls haven't been right for quite some time. I started hearing at 9 am. that Kerry was way ahead, but who couldn't have guessed that. This actually motivated many Bush supporters to get out and vote, maybe they'll learn to not call an election with nine hours left to vote.

 

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  posted on 11/8/2004 at 01:12 PM
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This story really loses credibility early on. Janet Reno a threat to Jeb? Doesn't anyone remember that she sent tanks in on people for having odd religious beliefs? Clinton didn't have the balls to make it official, but that ended any political career that she could've ever hoped for.


I wasn't religious beliefs but weapons charges at Waco.

Not to say that the response wasn't excessive.

But how does that prove the election was on the up and up?

Florida politics are crooked. 95% error rate on the republican outsourcing
of the voter rolls purge in 2000. Then Miss Harris gets elected to congress
by the rules she made. Democracy in action.

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  posted on 11/8/2004 at 01:50 PM
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I suspect that if the issue was reversed, the Right leaning members of this board would be screaming bloody murder at the thought that the vote might be hacked. Hell, they were whining and sniveling over the exit polls that showed Kerry kicking Bush's ass (another strange anomoly that somehow beat the odds).

Wrong again

November 4, 2004

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http://www.hillnews.com/morris/110404.aspx

Those faulty exit polls were sabotage

By now it is well-known and a part of the 2004 election lore how the exit polls by the major television networks were wrong.

Likely this faux pas will assume its place among wartime stories alongside the mistaken calls on Florida’s vote for one side and then for the other in the 2000 election. But the inaccuracies of the media’s polling deserve more scrutiny and investigation.

Exit polls are almost never wrong. They eliminate the two major potential fallacies in survey research by correctly separating actual voters from those who pretend they will cast ballots but never do and by substituting actual observation for guesswork in judging the relative turnout of different parts of the state.

So reliable are the surveys that actually tap voters as they leave the polling places that they are used as guides to the relative honesty of elections in Third World countries. When I worked on Vicente Fox’s campaign in Mexico, for example, I was so fearful that the governing PRI would steal the election that I had the campaign commission two U.S. firms to conduct exit polls to be released immediately after the polls closed to foreclose the possibility of finagling with the returns. When the polls announced a seven-point Fox victory, mobs thronged the streets in a joyous celebration within minutes that made fraud in the actual counting impossible.

But this Tuesday, the networks did get the exit polls wrong. Not just some of them. They got all of the Bush states wrong. So, according to ABC-TV’s exit polls, for example, Kerry was slated to carry Florida, Ohio, New Mexico, Colorado, Nevada and Iowa, all of which Bush carried. The only swing state the network had going to Bush was West Virginia, which the president won by 10 points.

To screw up one exit poll is unheard of. To miss six of them is incredible. It boggles the imagination how pollsters could be that incompetent and invites speculation that more than honest error was at play here.

The mistaken exit polls infiltrated all three networks and the cable news outlets and had a chilling effect on the coverage of election night.

While all anchors refrained from announcing the exit-poll results, it was clear from the context of their comments that they expected Kerry to win and wondered if Bush could hold any key state.

Indeed, one network hesitated to call Mississippi for Bush because of the uncertainty injected by the bogus exit polls. Dark minds will suspect that these polls were deliberately manipulated to dampen Bush turnout in the Central, Mountain, and Pacific time zones by conveying the impression that the president’s candidacy was a lost cause.

The exit pollsters plead that they oversampled women and that this led to their mistakes. But the very first thing a pollster does is weight or quota for gender. Once the female vote reaches 52 percent of the sample, one either refuses additional female respondents or weights down the ones one subsequently counted.

This is, dear Watson, elementary.

Next to the forged documents that sent CBS on a jihad against Bush’s National Guard service and the planned “60 Minutes” ambush over the so-called missing explosives two days before the polls opened, the possibility of biased exit polling, deliberately manipulated to try to chill the Bush turnout, must be seriously considered.

At the very least, the exit pollsters should have to explain, in public, how they were so wrong. Since their polls, if biased or cooked, represented an attempt to use the public airwaves to reduce voter turnout, they should have to explain their errors in a very public and perhaps official forum.

This was no mere mistake. Exit polls cannot be as wrong across the board as they were on election night. I suspect foul play.


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  posted on 11/8/2004 at 02:03 PM
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Hey squatch, what about Ohio? It has more paper ballots than any other state. exit polls haven't been right for quite some time. I started hearing at 9 am. that Kerry was way ahead, but who couldn't have guessed that. This actually motivated many Bush supporters to get out and vote, maybe they'll learn to not call an election with nine hours left to vote.


Yes, Im certain that there was no voter fraud at all.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/11/05/voting.problems.ap/

An error with an electronic voting system gave President Bush 3,893 extra votes in suburban Columbus, elections officials said.

Franklin County's unofficial results had Bush receiving 4,258 votes to Democrat John Kerry's 260 votes in a precinct in Gahanna. Records show only 638 voters cast ballots in that precinct.

Bush actually received 365 votes in the precinct, Matthew Damschroder, director of the Franklin County Board of Elections, told The Columbus Dispatch....


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  posted on 11/8/2004 at 02:49 PM
The issue with the exit polls might be the result of some bias including overly enthusiastic democrats seeking out pollsters. I wonder if that was encouraged and if that should be illegal.


I am curious how widespread this other computer glitch problem is. There are 155, 000 provisional ballots left to be counted and Bush won the state by 136,000. If they do discover more of these cases where the vote was electronically inflated in Bush’s favor, and there is a recount and the unimaginable happens and Kerry pulls ahead, then what? What happens then?

 

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  posted on 11/8/2004 at 02:59 PM
If the Republicans are so far ahead of the Democrats in terms of hacking ,for what seems like a while now, perhaps they really are better equipped to run the country...

 

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Should we then discard the pretense and these expensive elections and just let them do it unopposed?

 

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If the Republicans are so far ahead of the Democrats in terms of hacking ,for what seems like a while now, perhaps they really are better equipped to run the country...


What amazes me is the absolute lack of caring by our citizens that electronic voting is allowed to go unchecked. Nobody is nearly as angry as they should be. I mean, if you dont care if your vote counts, then why bother?

 

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Why is the software of adding votes, private? No one is allowed to view the sourcecode.


There's a good idea. It should be public domain so all the hackers can play with it.


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I wasn't religious beliefs but weapons charges at Waco.

Not to say that the response wasn't excessive.


Damn, this is a sore spot with me.

Excessive is an understatement here. Ruby Ridge definitely was just outright murder by the government. I mean those two things happened on the Clinton/Reno watch and were just such a blatant abuse of government force against it's citizens. But the economy was rolling for Bubbba and people didn't seem to worry about things like that as much. I would hate to see the outrage if that happend on a Bush/Ashcroft watch. Think about that.

Do you know what the FBI called out over the loudspeaker the morning following the FBI sniping murder of Randy Weaver's unarmed wife while holding her baby? (This was after shooting Weavers son to death in the back). To the family's survivng daughter in the cabin the agents called out: " Hey little girl, why don't your have your mommy make you some pancakes this morning."

Reno should have been fuk*n' hung out to dry, and Clinton should have been man enough to do it. Again, imagine an action like this in today's climate under this administration. This scared me a lot more than the Patriot Act, not that I like that either in it's present form.

I'll always admire Gerry Spence for standing up for all our rights when the majority just sat quietly by and let it slide.






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Why is the software of adding votes, private? No one is allowed to view the sourcecode.


There's a good idea. It should be public domain so all the hackers can play with it.

Obviously you do not understand the importantance of peer review as well as having people look at the code to ensure no dirty tricks are programmed. A voting machine program would be very simple and thus far less suseptable to tinkering.

Oh and the Linux and Unix folks would disagree with you with regard to "all the hackers playing with it". Windows is proprietary software and its far more lax in its security than either Linux or Unix at this point. This is mostly due to it NOT being open source.

Of course, if we are to follow your logic, then we let the private sector count the votes and there is certainly no motivation there for funny business. Do you know who owns the two largest voting machine companies in the US? Is it ok with you if a large Republican donor controls your vote? Thanks, but no thanks.



 

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[quoteThose faulty exit polls were sabotage
(Yep)

By now it is well-known and a part of the 2004 election lore how the exit polls by the major television networks were wrong.

(And it was So Funny)

Exit polls are almost never wrong.

(Wanna Bet?)
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But this Tuesday, the networks did get the exit polls wrong. Not just some of them. They got all of the Bush states wrong. So, according to ABC-TV’s exit polls, for example, Kerry was slated to carry Florida, Ohio, New Mexico, Colorado, Nevada and Iowa, all of which Bush carried. The only swing state the network had going to Bush was West Virginia, which the president won by 10 points.

(Our network is all encompasing)

To screw up one exit poll is unheard of. To miss six of them is incredible. It boggles the imagination how pollsters could be that incompetent and invites speculation that more than honest error was at play here.

(They just didn't know they were being played like a fiddle.)

The mistaken exit polls infiltrated all three networks and the cable news outlets and had a chilling effect on the coverage of election night.

(Just as planned.)

Indeed, one network hesitated to call Mississippi for Bush because of the uncertainty injected by the bogus exit polls. Dark minds will suspect that these polls were deliberately manipulated to dampen Bush turnout in the Central, Mountain, and Pacific time zones by conveying the impression that the president’s candidacy was a lost cause.

(Nope, not really, but it would make sense.)



Next to the forged documents that sent CBS on a jihad against Bush’s National Guard service and the planned “60 Minutes” ambush over the so-called missing explosives two days before the polls opened, the possibility of biased exit polling, deliberately manipulated to try to chill the Bush turnout, must be seriously considered.

(Possible, but not likely.)

At the very least, the exit pollsters should have to explain, in public, how they were so wrong. Since their polls, if biased or cooked, represented an attempt to use the public airwaves to reduce voter turnout, they should have to explain their errors in a very public and perhaps official forum.

This was no mere mistake. Exit polls cannot be as wrong across the board as they were on election night. I suspect foul play.


(Oh come on, no turkeys or chickens were involved. Some of these folks belong to PETA.)


 

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  posted on 11/9/2004 at 07:10 AM
Yeah, Im sure it was a master plan.

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  posted on 11/9/2004 at 10:08 AM
quote:
Yeah, Im sure it was a master plan.



more likely than your scenario

 

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