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  posted on 8/18/2020 at 05:27 PM
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Can't completely tell but that looks like Duane's Les Paul goldtop.

I don't think it is since Duane's gold top didn't have the poker chip on the pickup toggle. Between the stage lights and the photo's high contrast, the burst just isn't visible.

Looks like this is from the same show, looks like it's his Cherry Burst (kluson tuners):





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  posted on 8/18/2020 at 06:21 PM
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Sorry if this sounds like whining. Looking forward to an uncirculated Duane era show though.

Agree. I hate to complain about new releases, and album covers are more inconsequential than ever in the digital age, but presentation can be an indicator of the effort that went into the product. Fans will always be excited to hear more Duane performances, but not any performances. I'm sure we will get some sound bites in the next month, we will just have to wait and see...

These observations sound remarkably similar to those I voiced about Fillmore West!?!?!.. no doubt an enraptured Alan Paul will chime in soon with his unctuous ratioanlizations on behalf of the amateurs here trying and failing to do work better left to professionals!

 

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  posted on 8/18/2020 at 09:01 PM
Intrigued about this, obviously concerned about the sound quality.

All I want is the Atlanta Pop video. We know it exists. Just release it.

 

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  posted on 8/19/2020 at 01:28 AM
I recently listened to a podcast with the person who worked on the Rhino 50th anniversary complete Woodstock set. He described a new technology that has just come in to being used last year. He said it can take a tape in pretty bad condition and separate out any frequencies. It can separate out bass, drums, guitars etc into isolated tracks. Like a multi channel recording which can then be enhanced and remixed. He described how bad some of the tapes he had to work with were. Then showed examples of the before and after. The sound difference was stunning! Like a cassette tape recording in to a multi track recording at the venue. Maybe (hopefully) they are using this new tech to salvage and improve this tape.
 

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  posted on 8/19/2020 at 03:05 AM
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Curious to know if the Brothers were head-lining that final concert with Duane
or were they supporting another act?


From scanning setlist.com, this show appears to be one of a series, Painters Mill Music Fair, Owings Mills, MD, none of which dates are documented with more than a single act...



The contract states that the ABB were the headline act and the poster shows support from Wet Willie.
https://www.duaneallman.info/chronologypart4.htm (details are towards the bottom of the page)

 

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  posted on 8/19/2020 at 07:35 AM
Nobody knew this was to be Duane's final show ("No **** !") so there's no reason to expect that it was any superior to a hundred other shows from that era.

Given the provenance of the recording, it look like one for the completists and the sentimental.

 

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  posted on 8/19/2020 at 09:04 AM
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All I want is the Atlanta Pop video. We know it exists. Just release it.


Amen. Any delay or hold up has to be about the almighty $$$

 

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  posted on 8/20/2020 at 07:43 PM
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Here's the set-list for my copy of this show:

Statesboro Blues
Don't Keep Me Wonderin'
Done Somebody Wrong
One Way Out
In Memory of Elizabeth Reed
Hot 'Lanta
Stormy Monday
You Don't Love Me

E: Revival
Trouble No More


supposedly that is from a few days before this that bootleggers have listed as the wrong date. we will have to see


No supposing at all. The above is a bogus show put together from other performances. It is not legit. Much as the mid 70's "Georgia Tech" show and the 3/27/72 Lincoln show and the "Syracuse" Derek & The Dominos December '70, just to name a few. All bogus.
I haven't listened to this for years so I'm barely familiar with it.

I'm not disputing you, but I'm curious -- how can I tell an authentic show from something cobbled together? And do you know where these songs came from?

So much music, so little time!

Thanks in advance.

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Thanks porkchopbob. I didnt notice the pokerchip.

But the shows I remember mid to late 71 ( it's been so long ago so not 100%sure) Duane's number one was a tobacco burst Les Paul with DUANE pressed into the back of the body made of old frets. I cant remember if it had the pokerchip too.

 

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Here's the set-list for my copy of this show:

Statesboro Blues
Don't Keep Me Wonderin'
Done Somebody Wrong
One Way Out
In Memory of Elizabeth Reed
Hot 'Lanta
Stormy Monday
You Don't Love Me

E: Revival
Trouble No More


supposedly that is from a few days before this that bootleggers have listed as the wrong date. we will have to see


No supposing at all. The above is a bogus show put together from other performances. It is not legit. Much as the mid 70's "Georgia Tech" show and the 3/27/72 Lincoln show and the "Syracuse" Derek & The Dominos December '70, just to name a few. All bogus.


Right, the show I have matches that set list - it’s a “Duane’s last show” tape, with the date of 10/15 on it - they were at the Syria Mosque on that date (database)

Both musically & soundwise, I don’t think this release will blow anyone’s doors off - they’d been on the west coast the previous week after being on the road all year long & were simply burnt out

John Carter had seen all of the west coast shows, & as he recalls it in Randy Poe’s biog Skydog, “I must admit I thought I saw Duane declining - or at least that Dickey Betts seemed to be taking over the band musically....I think he was just tired and had been on the road too long.”

This is Willie Perkins’ recollection in his equally good book
“On Oct 17 we played our last date of the tour....outside Baltimore. It was a fairly routine gig, altho the band was frantically awaiting the arrival of their source for a big score of heroin” -
A couple of sentences later he said that “it was obvious that something had to be done about the band’s increasingly destructive use of heroin”

the story about the guy forgetting he had the tape all those years.......am skeptical of that part of it

How will the sound quality be next to the also-upcoming Texas ‘71 release
Nice to see stuff being released!
I love the ABB

[Edited on 8/21/2020 by Stephen]

 

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  posted on 8/21/2020 at 08:44 AM
What if Duane was just two minutes later coming down the street and the flatbed truck with boom had cleared when that Harley Davidson arrived in the intersection?

Eat A Peach would have Standback, Blue Sky and Little Martha just as they are now. The rest of the album would be different and possibly the name of the album wouldn't have been Eat A Peach. No need for Dickey's instrumental to be called Les Brer in A Minor.

Brothers and Sisters would have Queen of Hearts on it and I imagine Berry would not have been killed so Chuck and Lamar probably would have never joined. Laid Back wouldn't exist and neither would Highway Call. Win, Loose or Draw would have been radically different including the albums name and on and on until the Beacon in 2014.
Derek, Warren, Otiel and maybe Marc would have never been in the band and they would have retired in 2014 with the original lineup playing and the band NEVER had any lineup changes. That would have been fantastic and I'm sure after Eat A Peach all of the albums would have been better than what we got after 1972 (would Duane have allowed Ramblin' Man?) and likely the band would have been as big as AC/DC or Metallica and the six members would be worth over 300 million dollars like Eric Clapton.

But on the other hand they may have broken up by 1985 never to play again and there were NO Beacon shows in the 90's and beyond by the Allman Brothers Band. And all of them except Dickey and Jaimoe may be passed on by now anyway.

The "what if's". Like what if the marconi operator HAD taken the Masaba's ice warning to the bridge on the TITANIC? We wouldnt know about the Titanic. It would have been like it's identical sister ship The Olympic built a year earlier in 1911. Served on the Southampton, England to New York run for 30 years then retired and scrapped.



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  posted on 8/21/2020 at 11:27 AM
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Here's the set-list for my copy of this show:

Statesboro Blues
Don't Keep Me Wonderin'
Done Somebody Wrong
One Way Out
In Memory of Elizabeth Reed
Hot 'Lanta
Stormy Monday
You Don't Love Me

E: Revival
Trouble No More


supposedly that is from a few days before this that bootleggers have listed as the wrong date. we will have to see


No supposing at all. The above is a bogus show put together from other performances. It is not legit. Much as the mid 70's "Georgia Tech" show and the 3/27/72 Lincoln show and the "Syracuse" Derek & The Dominos December '70, just to name a few. All bogus.
I haven't listened to this for years so I'm barely familiar with it.

I'm not disputing you, but I'm curious -- how can I tell an authentic show from something cobbled together? And do you know where these songs came from?

So much music, so little time!

Thanks in advance.

Billastro


Different ways to tell for different shows (but what has been listed as the Owings Mill prior to now, is a bogus show).

For example, having attended the 3/27/72 Lincoln show (my first ABB) I'm aware of circumstances that actually occurred at the show (the power being cutoff while the band was onstage) that obviously don't mesh with what's traded as 3/27/72. In addition, the songs on the bogus 3/27/72 are an identical copy of the Manley Field House show from Syracuse, NY about a week later. The stage comments, song introductions etc. are identical to Manley. That's another way to tell, stage banter. Also, the "Bogus Pirates" try to eliminate those things when they manufacture a show.

The "Syracuse 12/4/70 Derek & The Dominos" is the 12/1/70 Tampa show with the order of the songs rearranged. Plus, the songs are the identical same lengths and some sour notes during certain songs are also at identical points in the song.

The "Georgia Tech 5/9/70" show is just a conglomeration of songs from various other performances and a glaring telltale sign is the inclusion of Hot 'Lanta. Besides all the other reasons, a person would have to believe for whatever reason that the band unveiled a brand new song at this show and then didn't play it again until eight months later at the Fillmore West shows, where Duane specifically mentions it as new.

Another is the "complete" SUNY show of 9/19/71 that includes Whipping Post. The WP ends up being the one from Boston Commons on 8/17/71. For that matter, there are inclusions on the actual release of SUNY 9/19/71, that come from other ABB performances. The songs are legitimately original versions/performances but two songs are from west coast shows in early October '71. At least all of the songs are from legitimate ABB '71 performances.

So, different reasons for different shows reveal that the show is not legitimate. What has circulated as "10/17/71" previously is a made up/bogus performance.

 

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  posted on 8/21/2020 at 12:46 PM
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For that matter, there are inclusions on the actual release of SUNY 9/19/71, that come from other ABB performances.


Wait. Time out....

Stonybrook is one of my favorite CD's ever. What songs weren't played on 9/19? I lurk a lot on this page and this is the first time i've read about this.

Don't tell me it's in the liner notes.....

[Edited on 8/21/2020 by Joe_the_Lurker]

 

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  posted on 8/21/2020 at 02:33 PM
Another is the "complete" SUNY show of 9/19/71 that includes Whipping Post. The WP ends up being the one from Boston Commons on 8/17/71. For that matter, there are inclusions on the actual release of SUNY 9/19/71, that come from other ABB performances. The songs are legitimately original versions/performances but two songs are from west coast shows in early October '71. At least all of the songs are from legitimate ABB '71 performances.

Hey Steve the two songs from Oct. 71 are news to me.

 

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Another is the "complete" SUNY show of 9/19/71 that includes Whipping Post. The WP ends up being the one from Boston Commons on 8/17/71. For that matter, there are inclusions on the actual release of SUNY 9/19/71, that come from other ABB performances. The songs are legitimately original versions/performances but two songs are from west coast shows in early October '71. At least all of the songs are from legitimate ABB '71 performances.

Hey Steve the two songs from Oct. 71 are news to me.



Hey Sal!

First a bit of backtracking. Should have gone and pulled the shows before relying on my sometimes feeble memory.

The two songs I mentioned being included that were not from the actual performance are from the Boston Common 8/17/71 show. Those being You Don't Love Me and Hoochie Coochie Man.

Years ago while visiting Skip in Yuma, we were sitting in his studio and he says here's a couple songs you haven't heard before. He had gotten them from a long time friend from the West Coast and he mentioned that they were early October. Those were all he had of the performance (I wish there had been more!).

At the end of YDLM there's a pause, Duane can be heard saying "Whipping Post" and then Berry fiddles around with a few notes on his bass. Until that point that is all on the YDLM included on Boston Commons. What doesn't appear is Duane saying "The, uh, organ's quit workin' for the evening, I'm afraid that concludes our set." Those two songs lengthen the BC release by a little more than 31 minutes. Otherwise, that release would have only been a bit over 40 minutes.

Also, the WP was originally incomplete and Skip patched in an ending from a different show that had a uniquely similar pattern to it just before the BC version cutoff. The difference occurs at 14:35 and clearly changes audibly from the portion preceding it. That knowledge, from Skip, helped to identify the bogus nature of "the complete Stonybrook 9/19/71 including Whipping Post" claim. All the dude did was take the WP from B Commons and add it to the SUNY.

 

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  posted on 8/21/2020 at 03:16 PM
Thanks Steve. Hope all is well with you and the family. I just put my retirement papers in. Looking forward to a new life. Stay safe my friend.

 

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  posted on 8/21/2020 at 04:43 PM
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Here's the set-list for my copy of this show:

Statesboro Blues
Don't Keep Me Wonderin'
Done Somebody Wrong
One Way Out
In Memory of Elizabeth Reed
Hot 'Lanta
Stormy Monday
You Don't Love Me

E: Revival
Trouble No More


supposedly that is from a few days before this that bootleggers have listed as the wrong date. we will have to see


No supposing at all. The above is a bogus show put together from other performances. It is not legit. Much as the mid 70's "Georgia Tech" show and the 3/27/72 Lincoln show and the "Syracuse" Derek & The Dominos December '70, just to name a few. All bogus.
I haven't listened to this for years so I'm barely familiar with it.

I'm not disputing you, but I'm curious -- how can I tell an authentic show from something cobbled together? And do you know where these songs came from?

So much music, so little time!

Thanks in advance.

Billastro


Different ways to tell for different shows (but what has been listed as the Owings Mill prior to now, is a bogus show).

For example, having attended the 3/27/72 Lincoln show (my first ABB) I'm aware of circumstances that actually occurred at the show (the power being cutoff while the band was onstage) that obviously don't mesh with what's traded as 3/27/72. In addition, the songs on the bogus 3/27/72 are an identical copy of the Manley Field House show from Syracuse, NY about a week later. The stage comments, song introductions etc. are identical to Manley. That's another way to tell, stage banter. Also, the "Bogus Pirates" try to eliminate those things when they manufacture a show.

The "Syracuse 12/4/70 Derek & The Dominos" is the 12/1/70 Tampa show with the order of the songs rearranged. Plus, the songs are the identical same lengths and some sour notes during certain songs are also at identical points in the song.

The "Georgia Tech 5/9/70" show is just a conglomeration of songs from various other performances and a glaring telltale sign is the inclusion of Hot 'Lanta. Besides all the other reasons, a person would have to believe for whatever reason that the band unveiled a brand new song at this show and then didn't play it again until eight months later at the Fillmore West shows, where Duane specifically mentions it as new.

Another is the "complete" SUNY show of 9/19/71 that includes Whipping Post. The WP ends up being the one from Boston Commons on 8/17/71. For that matter, there are inclusions on the actual release of SUNY 9/19/71, that come from other ABB performances. The songs are legitimately original versions/performances but two songs are from west coast shows in early October '71. At least all of the songs are from legitimate ABB '71 performances.

So, different reasons for different shows reveal that the show is not legitimate. What has circulated as "10/17/71" previously is a made up/bogus performance.
This goes to show that there's nothing new under the Sun.

Thanks to everyone who's done the necessary detective work (most emphatically, Harvey) to sort out the complexities caused by people who don't know when to keep their hands in their pockets.

Some time in the early to middle '70s I had a bootleg Beatles album with the song "Cheese and Onions" on it. Sure sounded like John Lennon. But it was actually a Rutles song from All You Need Is Cash with Neil Innes (portraying Ron Nasty).

BTW, this is one of the best send-ups of a band, and has the added benefit of George Harrison being involved a bit. It's definitely worth watching.

Billastro

 

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  posted on 8/23/2020 at 09:19 PM
Thanks to you I have been singing Cheese and Onions to myself all weekend
All You Need is Cash is an amazing film - the more you know about the Beatles the better it is. Neal Innnes does an amazing job. The original SNL cast, Eric Idle, George, Mick. Love it.


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OK, the guy had ONE 60 minute tape. Would that hold the entire setlist, and when did he flip the tape?

 

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OK, the guy had ONE 60 minute tape. Would that hold the entire setlist, and when did he flip the tape?


I own quite a few shows that would fit on a 60 minute cassette - as for when he flipped? LOL

Plus some of these stories concerning the source may or may not be true.

There is no way that the powers that be - heard some horrendous show and said - This is what we need to release. Will it be a multi-track soundboard mix - no.

But shows were changing a bit before his death so maybe some special stuff in there. The majority of ABB/Dead shows were recorded this way and traded from then right up until now.

This one costs money but if going to the right source then fine by me. let us have hundreds of shows for free so I won't complain when they try and make some money.

Casual fans have no idea of trading/downloading shows etc - gives them a chance to own it.

 

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  posted on 8/26/2020 at 12:01 PM
I'm a bit of a sound snob so I have just the really good sounding archive material from the early years (both from Peach Records and the major labels): Fillmore East 6 CD set; May 1973 archive; ATL Pop Festival; Brothers & Sisters expanded set; A&R Records archive. However, if this one is not up to the standards (unlikely), I'll make an exception and buy this one.

 

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  posted on 8/26/2020 at 12:01 PM
And I appreciate everything the band releases.

 

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I own quite a few shows that would fit on a 60 minute cassette - as for when he flipped? LOL

Plus some of these stories concerning the source may or may not be true.

There is no way that the powers that be - heard some horrendous show and said - This is what we need to release. Will it be a multi-track soundboard mix - no.

But shows were changing a bit before his death so maybe some special stuff in there. The majority of ABB/Dead shows were recorded this way and traded from then right up until now.

This one costs money but if going to the right source then fine by me. let us have hundreds of shows for free so I won't complain when they try and make some money.

Casual fans have no idea of trading/downloading shows etc - gives them a chance to own it.


James, I quite agree with you ... I am not expecting this to be of high quality given the stated source, but the recording must have been reasonably good after cleaning up for the ABB to consider putting it out ... of course, given that it is the last live performance by Duane before his passing there is sufficient nostalgia attached to it for some leeway to be given by the fans ... and I have no problem with that, I certainly have some pretty poor quality recordings in my collection that I am glad to have. Set lists may be very similar, but performances vary from night to night and some of the poor quality recordings have some pretty good performances on them that make them worthwhile hearing.

My only real concern is over the legitimacy of this recording, particularly because of all the "fake" shows purporting to be from this date put out by unscrupulous bootleggers over the years knowing there is a buck to be made because of the nostalgia aspect ... if it is genuine, then it will be a recording to treasure regardless of the sound quality, and as you so rightly say, the band allowed us to have lots of wonderful recordings to trade for free for many years and so I do not begrudge paying for this at all.

 

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  posted on 8/27/2020 at 09:49 AM
Just received an email from the Big House with pre-sale info on the Final Note and the 2005 Erie show.

Both come as bundles with shirts, posters, etc.

The Final Note bundle is $65. I really just want the cd. Would be over $70 for the bundle with shipping.

Hopefully sales of just the cd will be available.


 

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Just received an email from the Big House with pre-sale info on the Final Note and the 2005 Erie show.

Both come as bundles with shirts, posters, etc.

The Final Note bundle is $65. I really just want the cd. Would be over $70 for the bundle with shipping.

Hopefully sales of just the cd will be available.




i'm guessing these will be wide retail releases. prices are up?

 
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