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  posted on 11/22/2019 at 11:07 PM
Baltimore. Not only are the schools designated as a "gun free zone", but Baltimore school board has voted unanimously to disarm the school police officers while the kids are in school.

https://www.theblaze.com/news/baltimore-school-board-armed-officers

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  posted on 11/23/2019 at 12:18 AM
If the board’s unanimous vote came in concert w/input from & approval of the Baltimore PD’s school officers, the student councils of the various schools, PTA groups etc - it could work out

if the vote however came over objections....that prediction might happen - I for one applaud it, it’s a start to try something different after presumably having been discussed by all concerned

It would be a great thing if at the end of the school year it proved to be a good call & what people wanted all along

 

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  posted on 11/23/2019 at 12:36 AM
>>>>>........the next school where there is a kid who has shi^^y parents, access to a gun and an excuse for his behavior....

 

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What the heck - he was participating in the discussion, what does his relationship w/his parents have to do w/it

 

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If the board’s unanimous vote came in concert w/input from & approval of the Baltimore PD’s school officers, the student councils of the various schools, PTA groups etc - it could work out

if the vote however came over objections....that prediction might happen - I for one applaud it, it’s a start to try something different after presumably having been discussed by all concerned

It would be a great thing if at the end of the school year it proved to be a good call & what people wanted all along


Stephen, you didn't read the article, did you?
The school police officers wanted it, some parents want it. A group of students disrupted the meeting with chants and different demands from the school.
The students seem to be more against police officers in the school than anything else.

Here's an article, with video, that gives a little better idea of what went on at the meeting.

https://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2019/01/22/baltimore-city-school-board-votes -10-0-opposing-bill-to-arm-officers-in-schools/

 

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  posted on 11/23/2019 at 09:59 AM
Right, read it after posting, saw the students disrupted the meeting - should’ve read it first - yes mayb police presence in schools in the first place causes tension

 

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How is your relationships with your parents?


Haha, nice grammar

 

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  posted on 11/23/2019 at 08:49 PM
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The psychotic rampage massacres are mostly a white suburban phenomenon. Inner city black gun problems are generally extracurricular and gang-related, the kids with guns aren't in school.
Baltimore schools will be fine - it is their streets they need to work on.


Not all Baltimore schools are located in the inner city, or majority black.

Note: to keep everything straight, the vote was to allow offices to carry firearms while during school hours when students are present. All other hours, they are armed. This has been the scenario for several years.
The proposal was put forth because when is a shooting likely to happen, not before or after school, but when the students are there.
The kids are not protected when they are in school, but the buildings are protected when they are empty.

 

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  posted on 11/23/2019 at 10:31 PM
I'm praying we're done, No More, Hopefully gone the way of the Tide Pod Challenge.

 

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  posted on 11/24/2019 at 11:50 AM
What a horrible theme for a thread. Disappointing.

 

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  posted on 11/24/2019 at 03:24 PM
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a kid who has shi^^y parents, access to a gun and an excuse for his behavior....


You post quite a bit about sh*tty parents and excuses. Seems to be on your mind these days. How is your relationships with your parents?


Are you auditioning for the Rush Limbaugh show, or Jerry Springer perhaps? Jerry has a right to his opinion, and if he is right will you apologize?

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  posted on 11/24/2019 at 06:00 PM
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What a horrible theme for a thread. Disappointing.


Most troubling. And disturbing to realize that some folks would now like to see a Baltimore school suffer an episode, to justify their position.

Thanks for the criticism - I am deleting my posts, my part in the bad karma being generated here.

It is not just this thread - the motive for every shooting thread here is gun politics, mostly gun promotion. No point in topping them any more. Time to stop dumping this garbage out to the universe. This is my last massacre post.



[Edited on 11/24/2019 by BrerRabbit]


I don't hope for, or want, any school, business, or church to have an "active shooter" incident. Like Fretsman, I hope we never see another one.

Brer, I wouldn't have taken up the bet anyway, since I hope i'm wrong.

BUT, having said that, the publicity that the Baltimore school system has gotten that they are the ONLY school system in Maryland that does not have armed officers when the children are present does open the possibility an incident in the near future.

Gina, thanks for the support, but they weren't responding to my posts.

 

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  posted on 11/25/2019 at 10:52 AM
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BUT, having said that, the publicity that the Baltimore school system has gotten that they are the ONLY school system in Maryland that does not have armed officers when the children are present does open the possibility an incident in the near future.


"open the possibility"? Most schools don't have armed officers, and people know this already. What does the news story have to do with anything?

[Edited on 11/25/2019 by Skydog32103]



Seems like the Baltimore school board changed their minds after a relative of a student came to Frederick Douglass High School and shot a special education assistant.

This happened about two weeks after the decision not to allow officers to carry during school hours was made.

baltimoresun.com/education/bs-md-ci-school-board-police-vote-20190226-story .html

Skydog32103, I haven't come across any school systems that don't have armed officers at the schools.

Which ones do you know of that don't?

 

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  posted on 11/25/2019 at 11:23 AM
It’s a combustible trap alright - “both sides stridently believe” in their point of view of a disagreement involving guns & their kids’ safety

“It would be nice if we lived in a world where we didn’t need guns at all, but that’s not the reality in Baltimore City” -
....or anywhere else in the world

 

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Skydog32103, I haven't come across any school systems that don't have armed officers at the schools.

Which ones do you know of that don't?


Who cares which ones....what does the publicity of a news story have to do with whether a school shooting will happen in that area? Are you suggesting that an armed officer at a school is a deterrent? We've already seen at least one instance where the armed officer did absolutely nothing. Even if he went into the building, several children would've been dead already, so what is the point?

I'm not opposed to having armed guards at schools, but first priority ought to be keeping guns out of the hands of those who aren't mentally competent, and force them to resort to the difficulty and risk of the black market, rather than hand them an AR-15 just because they turn 18. Only an idiot would hand over such a dangerous object to a teenager in this day and age, without any vetting process in place. The excuses I hear that object to better vetting is just a bunch of nonsense to me, sorry.



1) Who told you that you can purchase an AR-15 at age 18? You can only purchase an AR-15 when you turn 21. Federal Law.

2) Who cares which ones? You said many schools don't have armed officers on site, so naturally I asked you which ones they are since you seem to be knowledgeable of that.

3) Yes, the Parkland officer, Scot Peterson, did remain outside and advised other leos not to come close to the building. Are you saying all officers are like him?

4) On site armed officers would be there to respond to the incident. Police usually do not get there in less than seven minutes ( national average response time). Students and teachers most likely would already be injured, or dead, since you can't respond to an active shooter incident before it happens. If an armed person has been spotted on campus, they could more than likely prevent an active shooter incident, call for a lockdown or evacuation of a building before an incident occurs.

5) Anyone who has been legally adjudged to be mentally ill or incompetent are barred from owning firearms.
If they try to purchase firearms, the NICS (no, that is not a tv show) background check will block the sale. That has been in effect for many years.

Here's a pdf of the ATF Form 4473 that must be filled out during a firearms purchase.
You might get some real information off it concerning firearms and background checks other than what someone told you.
atf.gov/firearms/docs/4473-part-1-firearms-transaction-record-over-counter- atf-form-53009/download

Question 11e was put in by the Obama admin.

 

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  posted on 11/25/2019 at 06:59 PM
The title of this thread hasn’t gotten any less awful or cold since the first day it was posted, but it’s interesting that it comes from a person so passionate about trying to dispel myths about guns while assuring that more violence will come from their use.

 

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  posted on 11/25/2019 at 07:00 PM
If the next shooting is indeed in Baltimore, what’s the prize for being right?

 

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I agree that this may be the most tasteless thread title ever.

I predict the next mass shooting will be in the USA, because other civilized nations do not have this problem. The gun worshipers have trashed the place.

 

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I agree that this may be the most tasteless thread title ever.

I predict the next mass shooting will be in the USA, because other civilized nations do not have this problem.


How many "civilized nations" have a Constitution and a Bill of Rights guaranteeing the FREEDOM we have here? How many have donned the uniform and laid their lives on the line to protect these freedoms?

Don't like it here?

Move

 

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  posted on 11/25/2019 at 10:54 PM
Whether a school, church, shopping mall parking lot, a youth sports game, esp Little League, where parents can get livid and Very angry.......

...point being, more gun violence Will occur - it’s a tragic reality we have to acknowledge & brace ourselves for

Would be curious to know how many less mass shootings ‘civilized’ nations have than the US, & why - Canada was recently mentioned as an example

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I agree that this may be the most tasteless thread title ever.

I predict the next mass shooting will be in the USA, because other civilized nations do not have this problem.


How many "civilized nations" have a Constitution and a Bill of Rights guaranteeing the FREEDOM we have here? How many have donned the uniform and laid their lives on the line to protect these freedoms?

Don't like it here?

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Do you like the fact that we have mass shootings all of the time? That is what I am complaining about.


 

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Do you like the fact that we have mass shootings all of the time?


What part of Dont Like It Here Move dont you understand?

[Edited on 11/26/2019 by BrerRabbit]



I can't believe I had the nerve to say that I would prefer this country to have fewer gun deaths. I should have just left.

 

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I can't believe I had the nerve to say that I would prefer this country to have fewer gun deaths. I should have just left.


You also said that there are other civilized countries besides the USA. You think they are so great just pick one and go.





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I agree that this may be the most tasteless thread title ever.

I predict the next mass shooting will be in the USA, because other civilized nations do not have this problem.


How many "civilized nations" have a Constitution and a Bill of Rights guaranteeing the FREEDOM we have here? How many have donned the uniform and laid their lives on the line to protect these freedoms?

Don't like it here?

Move


Do you like the fact that we have mass shootings all of the time? That is what I am complaining about.




Do I like it?...Hell no, "I don't like it"...It saddens me deeply. I just don't think the knee jerk reaction is to think that more laws will solve anything. The problem goes way deeper than that....But speak out against the leftist narrative of Gun restrictions, more laws, more steps or what other Countries have done and wham, one would think they had the nerve to next state they didn't believe in the "Science" of Global Warming....

 

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  posted on 11/27/2019 at 11:10 AM
Multiple complexities cloud issues like gun control, global warming etc
Dialogue/discussion/discourse can get confusing>not too civil after awhile (also repetitive)

 

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