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  posted on 11/9/2015 at 12:04 PM
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  posted on 11/10/2015 at 12:01 AM
I'm not a fan of Phil's solo stuff, but clearly it made zillions of people happy. Someone bought all of those albums.

I do think his drumming for Genesis in the 1970s is some of the best drumming in rock ever.

 

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  posted on 11/10/2015 at 07:39 AM
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  posted on 11/10/2015 at 12:04 PM
phil must be stopped. the production hachet job he did on Clapton and others in the 80's & 90's is deserving of a lifetime ban...or 30 years hard labor. He is a hack of the highest order.
 

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  posted on 11/10/2015 at 02:51 PM
For the most part, I think all the "haters" (too strong a term?) or the detractors of Phil's return are really a lot of people who just OD'd on hearing his music. He's obviously a very talented guy. I've never met him, but he just might be an incredibly nice guy. But for too long a period of time (for my ears) his music just poured out of every radio, television, shopping center intercom and elevator speaker in the world incessantly!

It's called saturation or sometimes by its more descriptive term: OVER-FREAKIN'-EXPOSURE!!!!

I loved Genesis. I was upset when Peter Gabriel was no longer part of the mix, but I accepted Phil's vocal on "Follow You-Follow Me". But when "In the Air At Night" came around ... it was like pop music became a Phil-Fest. There was no way to escape hearing him.

Even when brand-spanking new music that I'd never heard at all came around and Phil Collins was the singer - I was ready to take to my own skull with a ball-peen hammer! ENOUGH ALREADY!

On top of everything else - Phil made a $hit-load of money. I'm sure he cashed every check. There's no need to pity him or get angry at those who wish to no longer endure his talents.

So Phil Collins wants to return to pop music? I'm all for anybody's right to express themselves. And I actually wish him well. But I do wish that radio and sound system manufacturers would install a PHIL ALERT feature that would give me enough time to haul a$$ out of ear-shot before a Phil Collins tune was played.

Not a hater - just already had way more than my ears can take.

 

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  posted on 11/10/2015 at 02:58 PM
So what the h does "she seems to have an invisible torture" mean anyway. Or "I can feel it comin in my hair tonight"? weird stuff.
 

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  posted on 11/10/2015 at 07:04 PM
Would love to hear versions of those Clapton albums before Phil got his hands on them. As far as his solo stuff I really like "In the Air Tonight" the rest not so much. The video w/ the puppets was groundbreaking MTV fare at the time, can't remember the song name though.

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My bad, that video was Genesis, "Land of Confusion"




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  posted on 11/10/2015 at 08:50 PM
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So what the h does "she seems to have an invisible torture" mean anyway. Or "I can feel it comin in my hair tonight"? weird stuff.


and let's not forget "It's, no, fun, being an illegal alien..." hehehehehe don't hear that jewel on the radio lately.

 

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  posted on 11/11/2015 at 08:35 AM
Clapton has a pretty good solo on the Collins song "I Wish It Would Rain".


 

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  posted on 11/11/2015 at 05:35 PM
Not sure I quite get the anti-Phil stuff. Has anyone not listened to "Abacab"?

 

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  posted on 11/11/2015 at 10:57 PM
"A Trick of the Tale" is a great Phil / genesis album. I use that one to test new speakers.
 

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  posted on 11/12/2015 at 05:36 PM
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Not sure I quite get the anti-Phil stuff. Has anyone not listened to "Abacab"?



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  posted on 11/12/2015 at 06:33 PM
One of the things I drank to forget was Phil Collins' "music". Since I've quit drinking, it has, unfortunately, been slowly coming back to me...









 

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  posted on 11/12/2015 at 07:50 PM
Unusual people wouldn't care for Phil...

Writing about Collins in a 2013 publication on 1980s popular music, author Dylan Jones said that, along with the press, "many of his peers despised him so". Indeed, a number of fellow artists have criticised Collins publicly. Former Sex Pistols and Public Image Ltd vocalist John Lydon described Collins's playing of both the UK and US legs of the 1985 Live Aid concert as "utter pomp and idiocy" and asked: "Why didn't he just play the drums down the telephone and save the money?" Guitarist Jimmy Page, whose band Led Zeppelin gave a poorly-received reunion set with Collins at Live Aid that the group later disowned, alleged that Collins "hadn't learned" his drum part. Page said: "You can get away with that in a pop band but not with Led Zeppelin". Collins responded by saying that the band "weren't very good" and that he "was made to feel a little uncomfortable by the dribbling Jimmy Page." To avoid negative attention, he persisted with the set rather than leave the stage. Appearing on a 1989 edition of BBC programme Juke Box Jury, Collins applauded an upcoming single by British new wave band Sigue Sigue Sputnik; this prompted their singer, Martin Degville, to say directly to Collins's face: "God! We must have really got it wrong if you like us!" In 1990, former Pink Floyd frontman Roger Waters told Rolling Stone that the impact of The Who's 1989 reunion tour, on which the band commemorated the 20th anniversary of their Tommy album with live performances of the record, was "reduced dramatically" by the involvement of Collins, as well as that of Billy Idol and Patti LaBelle. Waters added: "I find the ubiquitous nature of Phil Collins's presence in my life irritating, anyway." David Bowie subsequently dismissed his own critically reviled 1980s output as his "Phil Collins years/albums".

In addition to the song's negative press from music journalists, singer-songwriter and political activist Billy Bragg also criticised Collins for writing "Another Day in Paradise", stating: "Phil Collins might write a song about the homeless, but if he doesn't have the action to go with it he's just exploiting that for a subject." Noel Gallagher has censured Collins on multiple occasions, including the comment: "Just because you sell lots of records, it doesn't mean to say you're any good. Look at Phil Collins." Collins said he has "at times, been very down" about Gallagher's criticisms. Gallagher's brother, Oasis singer Liam, recalled the "boring" Collins's chart dominance in the 1980s and stated that, by the 1990s, it was "time for some real lads to get up there and take charge". Appearing on television series Room 101 in 2005, Collins nominated the brothers as entrants into the titular room. He described them as "horrible" and stated: "They're rude and not as talented as they think they are. I won't mince words here, but they've had a go at me personally."In 2007, Young Knives frontman Henry Dartnall labelled Collins who had recently lent his song "In the Air Tonight" to a Cadbury Dairy Milk TV commercial a "fat, bald, chocolate-eating bastard". On the closing track of their 2014 album What Have We Become?, titled "When I Get Back to Blighty", former Beautiful South collaborators Paul Heaton and Jacqui Abbott included the lyric: "Everyone around us agrees that Phil Collins must die". MusicOMH critic David Meller remarked that the line "is delivered with willing, almost pleasurable conviction by Abbott".

Collins acknowledged in 2010 that he had been "omnipresent". He said of his character: "The persona on stage came out of insecurity...it seems embarrassing now. I recently started transferring all my VHS tapes onto DVD to create an archive, and everything I was watching, I thought, 'God, I'm annoying.'

 

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  posted on 11/12/2015 at 10:34 PM
Phil Collins fan here. Great voice, great drummer, and some great songs. Some not so great, but some true classics. F the haters.
 

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  posted on 11/12/2015 at 11:57 PM
I'm no Phil Collins fan, but I can turn the channel if he is on.
If his music makes people happy then let him go out and play to those people, it's not hurting anyone who chooses not to listen. Let those people have their fun.

I hate Molly Hatchet and Supertramp, but by all means I hope they are still out there playing to the people who do love their music. Doesn't hurt me.

 

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  posted on 11/13/2015 at 01:06 AM
Just got home from seeing Steve Hackett, guitarist for Genesis' s glory years, 1970_1977. Great show - excellent drummer playing very tricky Phil parts.
 

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  posted on 11/15/2015 at 09:41 PM
Utterly despise Phil Collins' solo career & post-Hackett Genesis, although he was a superb drummer. 1st time I heard Genesis was Follow You, Follow Me in 1978. Despised it. In 1/79, when I was 18, I saw a guy standing next to my new dorm room in college w/ his door open & excellent music playing loudly out of it. I asked what it was & he said Genesis' Battle of Epping Forest on Selling England By the Pound. I asked, the same Genesis that did Follow You, Follow Me? He said, yeah, but not really; my friends & I call & Then There Were 3, the album FYFM is on, & Then There Were None. He then explained the band's history. I became a huge Genesis fan pretty much up to when they completely sold out after Hackett left. Even Trick of the Tail & Wind & Wuthering had a few songs that were pretty damn poppy, cheesy & saccharine. More Fool Me on SEBTP was also hideous on an otherwise stupendous album. Thanks Phil!


 

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  posted on 11/15/2015 at 10:59 PM
For whatever reason, and I'm not ashamed to admit it, I LOVE "Can't Stop Loving You."
 

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  posted on 11/16/2015 at 09:14 AM
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Not sure I quite get the anti-Phil stuff. Has anyone not listened to "Abacab"?



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I'm no Phil Collins fan, but I can turn the channel if he is on.
If his music makes people happy then let him go out and play to those people, it's not hurting anyone who chooses not to listen. Let those people have their fun.

I hate Molly Hatchet and Supertramp, but by all means I hope they are still out there playing to the people who do love their music. Doesn't hurt me.


For me, Abacab was the station where I got off the bus. I'm very happy that the bus continued rolling along - picking up happy new passengers along the route. For me, Genesis had been one of the premiere Prog bands. Post Abacab they became a new entity all together. The Phil Collins Band would have been a more appropriate moniker.

I wish Phil and his fans well. As noted, the petitions and other snide commentary were pretty much tongue in cheek. For all the Phil fans out there, I hope he produces as much as you wish to consume. But if there's any way that I can not hear it - good for me, too.

 

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  posted on 11/16/2015 at 10:42 AM
Duke is my favorite Genesis album. Great classic rockand prog songwriting. Abacab has some great songs on it too and still retains some prog feel (it also has a few turkeys).

I liked Genesis a whole lot less after Three Sides Live. I dug a few of his solo tunes and saw him in concert solo once.

I'd love to see Genesis with both singers and Hackett.

 

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  posted on 11/16/2015 at 01:07 PM
The only issue I have with him is when he butchers old Motown songs. Other than that he's kinda just there.
 

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  posted on 11/16/2015 at 09:49 PM
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  posted on 11/17/2015 at 12:56 PM
i agree with rusty, with his ubiquitousness in the 80's, it was too much

i always get a pick that Gabriel gets a pass for doing the same things his former band mates were doing at that time but he's still considered great.

that said, i don't care for a lot of his solo stuff. some is good and some not so good. his last album with genesis was okay, but miles ahead of the last one without him

his Clapton productions, were not bad. Behind the Sun was little too heavy with the drums forward in the mix and always detracts from the album for me. August was a contemporary pop album at the time and they achieved what they were going for. It couldn't been that bad since it was one of his best sellers in the 80's. But stiil, it is i a product of the time. i still listen to it every few years.

His motown stuff wasn't that great as his voice has taken on a whiney characteristic, so i wouldn't be looking forward to anything he does in the future, but I will try to preview some it if he does

 

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