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  posted on 2/15/2014 at 09:25 AM
Parade magazine is featuring One Way Out in tomorrow's paper.

Online now - 10 Quotes from One Way Out:

http://bit.ly/1gJZ0qC

And they asked me to write a piece about 5 Reasons the ABB are still relevant:

http://bit.ly/1jGX4nN

 

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  posted on 2/15/2014 at 10:59 AM
Really good stuff from both links, Alan. Thanks for posting.

That was the first time I've read that Dickey considered the band a copy band since 2000. For the most part I thought Dickey had remained above board with his comments over the years. I can understand him making this statement given what happened to him, but it's certainly controversial. I suspect some might agree with Dickey & others don't. Given the lineup post 2000, I'm one that doesn't feel they were a copy band. To each his own.

 

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  posted on 2/15/2014 at 11:16 AM
good for you, Alan. I hope the book is a huge success and, frankly, thank you for putting it all together. The Allman Brothers Band is a national treasure, imho, it's been a helluva ride.

Now....summer/fall dates?!??!

 

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  posted on 2/15/2014 at 11:17 AM
Martin D28, Dickey is making some ridiculous statements there, considering what his band has been serving up for the past decade. Gimme a break.
 

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  posted on 2/15/2014 at 11:18 AM
Reason #1 - I have a book to sell.

 

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  posted on 2/15/2014 at 11:25 AM
Very interesting stuff here, thanks Alan. Alan, in your professional opinion, do you consider the current Allman Brothers Band to be an "oldies act", whatever that may be?

I'm glad we have even more quotes from the band who explain why they believe they are not your typical oldies act.

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From the start, their music has been all about group improvisation and listening to one another. They were not interested in playing songs the same way, night after night. In recent years, this has extended to their set lists. Every night is different. I dont think the band would want to exist as a nostalgia act, playing the same songs every night, says Haynes.

This can be frustrating for casual fans who are guaranteed not to hear every one of their favorites during any given show, but it has pushed them to remain fresh and relevant and should be applauded. No other great classic rock band approaches their performances in quite this way.

I know of a band that plays the same songs in the same order and says the same songs in between every night, says Allman. If you ask me, thats a job, no different from being a shock absorber washer jammer in Detroitand not wanting to be one of those is why I became a musician in the first place.


 

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Gregg - "Y'all a great bunch" Commenting on what others say between songs, that may be Gregg's funniest quote ever.

 

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  posted on 2/15/2014 at 11:46 AM
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Martin D28, Dickey is making some ridiculous statements there, considering what his band has been serving up for the past decade. Gimme a break.


Well he isn't booked as the ABB. Add in the Van Morrison, Zeppelin, The Band and Hendrix stuff and it isn't that far off either.

 

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  posted on 2/15/2014 at 12:00 PM
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Really good stuff from both links, Alan. Thanks for posting.

That was the first time I've read that Dickey considered the band a copy band since 2000. For the most part I thought Dickey had remained above board with his comments over the years. I can understand him making this statement given what happened to him, but it's certainly controversial. I suspect some might agree with Dickey & others don't. Given the lineup post 2000, I'm one that doesn't feel they were a copy band. To each his own.


One new CD in what at the time of this writing? 12-13 years? I'm afraid that this is exactly what they've become. Imho, with this quote, Dickey is just calling a spade a spade. Even the slide intro on the piece you hear as you enter the new page is cliche.....

 

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  posted on 2/15/2014 at 12:19 PM
The dearth of new material is a legitimate complaint of the current band and some of the covers are a tad unusual. However, I much prefer the expanded setlists of the last several years (for the most part) compared to hearing the same setlists the band performed prior to 2001. I went to three shows in 1998 and heard the exact same songs in the same order. NLTRW was the closer every night for the entire summer!!! I don't know who made the setlists back then but they were certainly more repetitive than they are now.
BTW, the version of Hoochie Coochie Man was from 1992, not the current band.

 
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  posted on 2/15/2014 at 01:00 PM
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Really good stuff from both links, Alan. Thanks for posting.

That was the first time I've read that Dickey considered the band a copy band since 2000. For the most part I thought Dickey had remained above board with his comments over the years. I can understand him making this statement given what happened to him, but it's certainly controversial. I suspect some might agree with Dickey & others don't. Given the lineup post 2000, I'm one that doesn't feel they were a copy band. To each his own.


One new CD in what at the time of this writing? 12-13 years? I'm afraid that this is exactly what they've become. Imho, with this quote, Dickey is just calling a spade a spade. Even the slide intro on the piece you hear as you enter the new page is cliche.....


I think one has to think a little beyond the quantity of CD's released. There's a whole lot more of analysis of the band and music before throwing out labels is so simple.

What I find ironic is that if one takes a look a the set lists played by Great Southern in the last 10 years, these lists for the most part are quite stagnant with little deviation. And those set lists vary less than both the ABB and GAB.

 

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  posted on 2/15/2014 at 02:47 PM
I don't blame Dickey for having hurt feelings over the whole thing, but he seems to be trying to have it both ways in his quote.

First he says this...

"Im not going to bad-mouth anybody in print. No matter how nasty those guys can get, I wont do that to them."

Then in the next breath he says this...

"But I think the band broke up in 2000 and I think its been a copy band ever since.

Sorry Dickey, you are not "the decider" of what constitutes a "legit" ABB.

If the band that toured in 1981 can be considered the Allman Brothers Band, the current lineup sure as hell can.

 
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  posted on 2/15/2014 at 03:11 PM
When Dickey put DB&GS back together, he configured his own Allman Brothers. he got a guy who kind of resembles Gregg on B3 and vocals, two drummers, a killer bass player, and his son being an extra piece to the group. He can be a dictator with no opposition, and nobody would dare give him any sh!t for drinking [and other substances] its Dickeys way, or the highway. theres been lots of changes since 2000.

 

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  posted on 2/15/2014 at 05:29 PM
I agree to the extent that, in my opinion, the 1994 version of the group was the last to fully bring forth what I call the "original intent" of the ABB. That is why Back To Where It All Begins sounds better to me than Hittin' The Note, although the latter has great stuff on it. The current version of the group is awesome and amazing, but a different animal. That is why, frankly, one of my fave recordings is of the night when Gregg didn't show up for the last concert of the Beacon run that year. I love the variety of the current lineup, as the lack of set list changes during Dickey's day did get a little old. Still...the elephant in the room with the current lineup is the 11 years without new music, which is ridiculous, and the aforementioned Van Morrison, The Band and other covers which bore me to tears. Still, I thought the recordings of the Beacon last year were great. What kills me, though, is those that think the current version of the band is the best version in the history of the band, which is patently absurd. That is why Al's book is so cool, as you understand that the original intent of the band was BUILT as much as it was about the blending of talent. And Warren and Derek both know and understand that they walk on a platform built by others.

I like that Warren is brought into the book early, way before he is even close to being in the picture as a member, because he explains the dynamic between Duane and Dickey, how it was Dickey (and Berry to an extent) who brought the guitar harmonies and unique arrangements into the mix, because that is what they did while together in the Second Coming (and why Berry didn't want to join with Duane without Dickey along), while Duane brought the fire, improvisation, the slide work and the vision and leadership. As Warren says, it is amazing to this day how many people attribute an awesome original lineup guitar solo to Duane when it is Dickey playing those riffs all along.

 

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  posted on 2/15/2014 at 06:13 PM
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First he says this...

"Im not going to bad-mouth anybody in print. No matter how nasty those guys can get, I wont do that to them."

Then in the next breath he says this...

"But I think the band broke up in 2000 and I think its been a copy band ever since.



I don't think that is bad mouthing them. It may be a knock but he isn't picking them out individually and trashing them. For him the band ended in 2000 which it did. Did the last gasp of the original lineup and spirit end at that point? It could be debated till the end of time I suppose but Dickey certainly isn't alone in that belief.

They are a band playing covers and Dickey songs to a large extent and their claim to fame is trying to recreate the magic that the originals did. Dickey was a huge part of that so I see his point.

I love the current lineup but they are playing Dickey's songs and not the other way around.

I don't see that quote as trash talk or at least not insulting and calling them out. He could easily do that and never has even though they trashed him personally. Gregg Allman commenting on someone's substance abuse and behavior is comical at best. Without Dickey and especially after Duane passed, the ABB would be long gone and Butch would be in a Linnie Skinnie cover band.

Right or wrong, Dickey has the right to be pissed and if people will hang him to dry for a quote like that then they need to be reintroduced to what Dickey did for the ABB from day 1. He stayed away from the TMZ style crap and the others didn't.

 

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  posted on 2/15/2014 at 06:55 PM
DFC. CM...
If Gregg would have just fired Dickey the day after Duane died, there would be none of this controversy!

 

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DFC. CM...
If Gregg would have just fired Dickey the day after Duane died, there would be none of this controversy!


Autopen could have wrote the songs after that and life would be simple.

 

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  posted on 2/15/2014 at 08:15 PM
Glad that the stories spurred so much discussion. As it should be up here.

Someone asked if I think the ABB are an oldies band... not to me... it's just really different because they don't play the same songs every night... I can't think of other groups that have songs as popular as "Midnight Rider" and "Melissa" and don't play them every night.

I will be going to a lot of Beacon shows next month and I doubt i'll get bored real often. I seem to be in the minority but I enjoy "Into the Mystic," especially with horns. There are other songs I don't care for as much, and I agree I'd like to hear more of the catalogue instead but... when it's all done, I'll be really sad and nothing else will be quite the same. Pretty sure most of you will feel the same way.

 

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  posted on 2/15/2014 at 08:30 PM
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Parade magazine is featuring One Way Out in tomorrow's paper.

Online now - 10 Quotes from One Way Out:

http://bit.ly/1gJZ0qC




What's a copy band? Does DB mean a cover band?

 

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  posted on 2/15/2014 at 08:37 PM
The Stones leave out 10 to 20 songs more popular than those two songs on any setlist they play.

MnCartney leaves off 20 to 30 or more.

They would all be thrilled to hear that they are in their prime.

 

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  posted on 2/15/2014 at 09:24 PM
Dickey's comment abut a "Copy Band" is quite tame compared to the horrible things Butch and Gregg have said about him.

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  posted on 2/15/2014 at 09:53 PM
The whole Gregg/Butch Dickey feud is really pretty mild. Not like they are arguing on Twitter and escalating things. It's sad that Dickey hasn't been a part of the continued ABB ride since 2000. Then again, although it's not a hanging crime, I don't find any solace in the fact that he'd crank his amp and put another musician's ears/livelihood at risk, nor do I want to hear constant comments out of B/G (yawn). I wish people would just MOVE.ON.

Meantime, I'd like to point that there were periods even in the first incarnation of the band where the set list did not vary by much if at all. Not sayin' that's a bad thing, just sayin' that it certainly happened.

 

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The present ABB is basically a cover band to everyone except Gregg and in a small sense Warren. I've always said that even with the March (Beacon) madness if you caught the right 3 shows you caught the whole run unless you count the variety of guest material. Butch and Jaimoe never wrote a song (to my knowledge), Yes they contributed, but were never the dynamic of Dickey, Duane, & Gregg. No new material since Dickey left. They are in coast mode. This year will most likely be the 1st year in decades that I may not see any ABB shows. I may roll the dice and pay the $13 toll and try to get lucky on the night of seeing what somebody may be dumping outside.

I will not harp on it, but I'm disappointed how the band has handled their fan base tickets. I bought the presale CD and still await it even though there's been one in my local Mom & Pop store since midweek. I almost bought it, but opted to wait and bought the new reissued Buddy Guy/Jr Wells 2CD, FABULOUS!!! I went all Stephen Bishop and went "On And O"n checking for tickets and they were just simply not there downstairs for them Beacon shows. Presale and day of.

The ABB entity is the new scalper. $750 for the Front Row package, $500 for the Gold Package probably the next 10 rows, & $250 for the Silver package ticket that would've landed me in the whopping Row R. Are you kidding me?? ~8 Rows from the lobby. No wonder I couldn't get any decent face value $170 seats. Totally disgusted and I've seen them since The Round-up in '81 and have seen the best they've had to offer. Derek has to be bored out of his tits playing the same songs that he had no part of creating. Warren has a bit and I love him and respect his input with both Dickey and Gregg's solo acts since the late '80's.

The majority of the setlists are from the first 5 years of their existence. That's pretty stagnant in my eyes. Their music is an acheivement award in itself. I know the Dickey haters will always be that and he has to own up for his part of the whole break-up debacle. It's a real life tragedy that they are parted as long as they've been. I've heard Dickey would play with the ABB on the condition of no Butch and it's just not going to go down like that.

Dickey is the $40 million dollar cat in the hat who still does his mini tours for the love of the tour life. He still enjoys his vices and can still over do it a bit, but makes his tickets available for $75. He doesn't do "package" plans to his fans. I was backstage in Penn's Peak preshow last year and he allowed a few fans to be brought backstage and signed some stuff for them and chatted a bit including a young kid who brought a mandolin for him to sign. He exchanged some comical friendly banter that shined a down to earth light on him that I'll always cherish. He has surrounded himself with quality players. The double lead attack still lives with Dickey and Andy Aledort, his son Duane is a quality throw-in and he's made great strides from when I 1st saw him fumbling around onstage with his Dad. It seemed Andy would nod his approval in them early shows and kind of took him under his wing too. Mike Kach is a great keys guys and an adequate vocalist for the ABB tunes, but Gregg is Gregg, and in the same breath Dickey is Dickey and I think even Warren's Blue Sky vocals fall short of the mark (A good cover version, but not Dickey).

I love the talk about Dickey's new tunes and in the studio banter from his camp. I hear he's got a couple new tunes and will be remaking a couple from his buddy Billy Joe Shaver's catalogue. Until then I'm still checking the mail for his work on the presale '92 ABB Beacon show CD that I was probably in the room for back when I could get within the 1st ten Rows without being taken advantage of by someone?

As a major fan and supporter of the band I long for what once was and sadly will never be again.



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  posted on 2/16/2014 at 01:43 AM
Who varies the setlist more, the ABB or Great Southern? The ABB. Who pushes to add different sounds versus who works hard to sound like the ABB did 3 or 4 decades ago?

Come on, now. Most Dickey fans claim that the best thing ABOUT Great Southern is their attempt to literally recapture the OLD sound, just like a tribute band, while most current Allmans fans prefer how this line-up adds different flavors, which was the old SPIRIT.

I'll certainly admit that neither band takes chances the way that newer bands do, but these are not new bands we are talking about.

But look at Great Southern. Dickey hires a Gregg sounda-like and LOOKALIKE to handle the songs Gregg sang. Cover band? He has to get two other guitarists so that he has a 3-guitar band to recapture the studio sound of 1973. Tribute band. Whereas the Allmans got one of the more unique stylists into the band in Derek Trucks, Dickey got Andy Aledort, who made his name writing for guitar magazines whose duty it is to help people recapture the sounds of classic rock songs. Cover band.

Whether you go to see the Allmans or Great Southern, you will get a night of hot guitar. With neither band will you get the radical experimentation that you might get with Radiohead or Beck or someone like that, but you'd be silly to expect that. Still, note for note, which band will try harder to sound like an Allmans greatest hits show? Great Southern. Dickey needs a new complaint.

 

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  posted on 2/16/2014 at 05:27 AM
It does not matter if the ABB set list vary every night. None of the songs are theirs so who is retreading and going through the motions? As for Dickey adding a 3rd guitarist to help out? He is not all that young and he can't hide behind a keyboard like some people do. He still plays his own songs or songs he loved playing in the ABB YDLM is his song from the beginning. The ABB adds guests to their shows why, I don't know, if I went I would want to see them and only them! But alas they are nothing but an over price cover band that should have quit a decade ago. But everyone has their own opinion and this argument will go on until all of us old timers are gone. The younger fans missed something special when Dickey and the band on all cylinders. I feel sorry for the ones who think this current line up is the one. But if that is all you know that is your loss not mine.

 

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