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  posted on 12/28/2008 at 01:03 PM
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I was at the Thursday 3/11/71 'horns" show and was thrilled to see one song, Hot 'Lanta, included on the FE Concerts.....


So-ooo, it sure would be nice if 3/11/71 escaped the vaults and circulated.....
I'd sure like to have a listen to that one just for grins...

What do you remember from that night, PeachNutt?
How prominent were the horns??
Were they soloing, or just adding pads like in Hot 'Lanta??

Oh, and do the 2 nights that AFE were mainly culled from circulate in their entirety in the bootleg community?


Edit: This is an interesting read: http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=23081

[Edited on 12/28/2008 by tonewoods]

 

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  posted on 12/28/2008 at 02:47 PM
Seems to me like they should release the whole entire run.
Also, if a tape of the 6/26 show would ever surface...

 

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  posted on 12/28/2008 at 03:52 PM
The 3/11 shows have a long history.....check Randy Poe's "Skydog" book.....
It was my first ABB show.....I remember a long slow song (I assume was Liz Reed).....
I think(?!?!?) there were three horn players, including a huge baritone sax.
Also thought I saw a bassoon on one song.....I would dearly love to hear the show too.....
Not sure if there were "horn" parts" or soloing, but hard to imagine the ABB not making room
for solos.
'll bet 6/26/71 would have surfaced a long time ago if it existed.......
I have both the FE Concerts, and the AFE Deluxe......
recommend that you all have both too.......HTN has 'em....

 

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  posted on 12/28/2008 at 05:03 PM
yea, I'm sure that 6/26 would have surfaced by now. stranger things have happened though with GD tapes.

Looks like you answered my next question, I suspect I know the answer but will ask anyway -
I have LAFE on vinyl and FC on CD - is it worth it to get AFE deluxe too?

 

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  posted on 12/28/2008 at 06:11 PM
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yea, I'm sure that 6/26 would have surfaced by now. stranger things have happened though with GD tapes.

Looks like you answered my next question, I suspect I know the answer but will ask anyway -
I have LAFE on vinyl and FC on CD - is it worth it to get AFE deluxe too?


Yes...I just received the deluxe edition and was completely blown away...

 

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  posted on 12/29/2008 at 12:53 PM
Here's a blurb from that article I posted earlier:


"History documents that two shows each were performed on not only Friday, March 12th and Saturday, March 13th, the dates from which the bulk of the material was drawn but also Thursday, March 11th. If we consider the 13 songs making up At Fillmore East Deluxe Edition (the most complete document yet released) as an typical performance during this period, then there exists ostensibly 52 tracks of performances for March 12th and 13th, and 78 tracks if the March 11th shows are included.

This suggests a huge amount of unreleased material from a historically important period in American musical history."



I'm looking forward to the day that everything that is out there is released...
It's just the right thing to do.....

 

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  posted on 12/29/2008 at 01:42 PM
1. Yes, I would encourage you to buy the LAFE Deluxe as well.
Berry is spectacular - i think he benefits most from the Deluxe version.....
2. Re: 3/11/71 - According to Tom Dowd, the horns were out of tune and not miked properly (because he was not told the ABB would have horns sitting in) making the tapes unusable. I vaguley remember being told that the 3/11/71 Liz Reed was remixed for possible use somewhere, but it did not come to pass.
3. According to the Fillmore East Concerts booklet, these CD's includes a version of every
song the ABB played during those 3 nights, 3/11,12,13/71......

[Edited on 12/29/2008 by PeachNutt]

 

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  posted on 12/29/2008 at 02:13 PM
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According to the Fillmore East Concerts booklet, these CD's includes a version of every
song the ABB played during those 3 nights, 3/11,12,13/71......



Which is great news...

I remember there was speculation many years ago that the 11th might not have survived the "cut"...

 

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  posted on 12/29/2008 at 02:19 PM
Arrrgh. I love the Fillmore Concerts, have the ABB@FE on Super Audio CD and NOW it sounds like I need the Deluxe Edition to boot!

Or not.

 

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  posted on 12/29/2008 at 04:11 PM
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Arrrgh. I love the Fillmore Concerts...



Yeah, I'll put in a huge vote for that release too....

I hadn't heard LAFE in many many years, and listening to the FC was like listening to the tapes for the first time...

I love Duane's rap after "Drunken Hearted Boy" ("hey man, it's 6 a.m.!"), the alternate "Hot Lanta", and lots of other little tidbits...

I guess I wouldn't buy it after reading this thread, but it's really worth a listen for fans, which we all are...

 

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  posted on 12/29/2008 at 04:21 PM
http://allmanbrothers.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=XForum&file=v iewthread&tid=38156#pid881050

see verbal's (Kirk Wests) comments

 

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  posted on 12/30/2008 at 10:41 AM
So....do the Fillmore East 3/11/71 tapes still exist??
Do I???

 

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  posted on 12/30/2008 at 01:32 PM
Bought AFE deluxe the other day - put it in, immediately felt more fire and energy than I remembered from TFC. i thought, maybe I think it sounds better cause I want it to sound better, so I did an A/B, even switched the cd players to make it equal. IMO the difference in the mix isn't subtle at all (at least on my stereo to my ears).
Glad I bought AFE deluxe - thanks for the recommendation.

 

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  posted on 12/31/2008 at 01:06 PM
just bought the DE.

we'll see...........

 

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  posted on 12/31/2008 at 01:14 PM
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IMO the difference in the mix isn't subtle at all (at least on my stereo to my ears).



In what way??

I listened to the FC on a drive the other day after reading this thread, and--as a recordist--asking myself how i would change the mix...

I dunno....
It sounded pretty damn good to me...

Everything was panned as you'd see the band, with Duane on the left and Dickie on the right...
Same with the 2 kits...

And everything sounded fine....

I think the key to that whole recording is the audience mics. They are a huge part of why that recording is so-ooo interesting to listen to ("play all night", etc.), and the mix is using those mics in all the right places--after solos, "you can put your hands together for this", etc....

It's just a great recording of a great band on a good night (or a few), and is really fun to listen to from a recordist's point of view...

Guess I need to hear the deluxe edition next....

 

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  posted on 12/31/2008 at 01:16 PM
Here's a shout out for the DE of 'gimme back my bullets' by lynyrd skynyrd
album sounds GREAT and it comes with a DVD of the Old Grey Whistle test apperance in 1975...its outstanding.


But the DE of fillmore...wow...thats all i can say.
My son, who is 3, came in when i had hot lanta blaring. He stands there for a minute and says
'That cooks daddy'
Have not had a prouder moment as a father.

 

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  posted on 12/31/2008 at 01:44 PM
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IMO the difference in the mix isn't subtle at all (at least on my stereo to my ears).



In what way??

I listened to the FC on a drive the other day after reading this thread, and--as a recordist--asking myself how i would change the mix...

I dunno....
It sounded pretty damn good to me...

Everything was panned as you'd see the band, with Duane on the left and Dickie on the right...
Same with the 2 kits...

And everything sounded fine....

I think the key to that whole recording is the audience mics. They are a huge part of why that recording is so-ooo interesting to listen to ("play all night", etc.), and the mix is using those mics in all the right places--after solos, "you can put your hands together for this", etc....

It's just a great recording of a great band on a good night (or a few), and is really fun to listen to from a recordist's point of view...

Guess I need to hear the deluxe edition next....


the best I can describe it - more vibrant. You can hear Duane, Berry, the cymbals etc better and cripser. The recording just has more energy. Sorry I can't put it in more scientific terms (I'm just a former drummer)

 

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  posted on 12/31/2008 at 02:03 PM
For my ears after buying/listening to all 6 versions out there over the years, the MSFL gold 2 disc set of ABB Fillmore East still sounds the best, especially with headphones. You can pick out each player, where they are on stage, whether it is with headphones or sitting in front of the stereo. Also comes in a cool package with great info and pictures.

You can still buy it on ebay, not quite as pricey as it used to be. Glad I bought my copy when it was released, $50 seems like a good deal now.

 

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IMO the difference in the mix isn't subtle at all (at least on my stereo to my ears).



In what way??

I listened to the FC on a drive the other day after reading this thread, and--as a recordist--asking myself how i would change the mix...

I dunno....
It sounded pretty damn good to me...

Everything was panned as you'd see the band, with Duane on the left and Dickie on the right...
Same with the 2 kits...

And everything sounded fine....

I think the key to that whole recording is the audience mics. They are a huge part of why that recording is so-ooo interesting to listen to ("play all night", etc.), and the mix is using those mics in all the right places--after solos, "you can put your hands together for this", etc....

It's just a great recording of a great band on a good night (or a few), and is really fun to listen to from a recordist's point of view...

Guess I need to hear the deluxe edition next....



Honestly, I think your stereo might favor the "right side" over the "left". The Fillmore Concerts mix has Dickey FAR louder than Duane. Also, for lack of a better description, the instruments are far to "separated". I want to hear the band not six different instruments with the sixth, Duane, turned way down.

I have no idea what they were thinking with this mix. Awful.

[Edited on 12/31/2008 by axeman]

 

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I like the story about Tom Dowd on the opening night, when they did Hotlanta, he said "GET THOSE FU*KING HORNS OUT OF MY LIFE!!"

 

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Universal Music also did the "Deluxe Edition" treatment to "Eat a Peach" in 2006, and let me tell you it sounds awesome, plus you get the second bonus disc containing the previously unreleased June 27, 1971 Fillmore Concert (only Midnight Rider and One way Out from this concert were previously released). Well worth picking up. I hope they do a deluxe version of Brothers and Sisters someday.
 

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  posted on 1/1/2009 at 10:38 AM
More Allman Brothers material always makes me happy!!!
That would be a great way to start the 2009!!!

 

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  posted on 1/1/2009 at 12:01 PM
Not to be the idiot cousin but

AFE = Allman Brothers at Fillmore East on Polydor

Fillmore Concerts "Chronicles" on Polydor

AFE Deluxe At the Fillmore on Mercury

I'm confused, is this right?

I was there for the Friday Early show, Thom Doucette was on harp. Randolph Carter's sax was so badly miked you couldn't hear him.

[Edited on 1/30/2009 by njpaulc]

 

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  posted on 1/30/2009 at 12:38 PM
I finally picked up a used copy of "The Fillmore Concerts" and I may actually prefer this mix. Dickey's guitar is much less harsh sounding and easier on my ears. Duane is plenty loud enough; some people seem to think he's buried in the mix?? You gotta be joking me. With the different mix it does give a somewhat different perspective; I dig both but this one sounds pretty damn sweet to me.
 

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  posted on 1/30/2009 at 04:46 PM
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I finally picked up a used copy of "The Fillmore Concerts" and I may actually prefer this mix. Dickey's guitar is much less harsh sounding and easier on my ears. Duane is plenty loud enough; some people seem to think he's buried in the mix?? You gotta be joking me. With the different mix it does give a somewhat different perspective; I dig both but this one sounds pretty damn sweet to me.


I think the drums are much more prominent on The FIllmore Concerts mix. Seems to me like I can hear a lot more stuff on TFC than I can on LAFE, other than "Play All Night" and 'Whipping Post!"

Blasphemy, I know....but just my 2 cents.

 

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