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  posted on 5/1/2002 at 02:51 AM
I thought it was French, but I did a babelfish translation and all it gave me was "brers". So if it IS French, what the heck is a "brers?" If not... what the heck does it mean? Thanks!
 
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  posted on 5/1/2002 at 03:47 AM
I'm pretty sure it's French for "The Brothers", I could be wrong.[Edited on 5/1/2002 by crtackett]
 
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  posted on 5/1/2002 at 04:47 AM
It is indeed "The Brothers"
 
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  posted on 5/1/2002 at 06:05 AM
I believe it is Cajun. The french term for brothers is freres.
 

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  posted on 5/1/2002 at 01:05 PM
The "Brothers In A Minor" was recorded using two sound studios at Criteria. After the first part, the group packed up and moved to getter a better sound. Dowd was cutting and pasting back then. It is a Great number that was written after 10/29/71.[Edited on 5/1/2002 by MarkSmith]

 

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  posted on 5/1/2002 at 01:56 PM
The song was written post-Duane, but (and this may be common knowledge already) if you listen to Dickey solo in Whipping Post, he plays a slower version of what would become the melody of Les Brers. Talk about your proof that Dickey really composes his solos!

 

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  posted on 5/1/2002 at 02:42 PM
CanadianMule is right. I read a quote from Dickey in which he referred to "Les Brers" as Cajun-French for "the brothers."
Apparently Dickey had New Orleans and "them Delta women" in mind when he named the song.[Edited on 5/1/2002 by MichaelWilliams]

 
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  posted on 5/1/2002 at 04:55 PM
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The song was written post-Duane, but (and this may be common knowledge already) if you listen to Dickey solo in Whipping Post, he plays a slower version of what would become the melody of Les Brers. Talk about your proof that Dickey really composes his solos!


On the Fillmore Concerts disc right? I always wondered if anyone else heard that.

be great if the did Les brers again.

 

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  posted on 5/1/2002 at 05:10 PM
It is indeed Cajun-French,I thought I editted the post and stuck that in but it must not have took. Dickey has a little triva about the tune on his site on the FAQ/Music page.
 
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  posted on 5/1/2002 at 05:34 PM
Thanks for the responses!

I dunno about them doing Les Brers again tho... wouldn't be the same without Dickey, would it? The massive 70's versions of Les Brers were damned cool tho.

 

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  posted on 5/1/2002 at 06:59 PM
I always wished they'd play the song more- I was happy whent they brought it out in '99, but then it disappeared again. I'm not into that whole song-ownership thing, I'd love it if I heard it this summer.

 

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  posted on 5/1/2002 at 07:34 PM
Marc,
It's on both At Fillmore East and The Fillmore Concerts, since both albums use the same version of the song.

The following comes from Dickey's site regarding Les Brers:
"That's a real cooperative tune, written during a rehearsal. We were on break and I was outside having a cigarette. Gregg was playing some chords. I stayed outside to listen, to get an idea for a melody to go with the chords. When I got the melody going, I went back in."

 

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  posted on 5/1/2002 at 07:56 PM
Marley, it is always cool to read it from the people who were there. Butch gave me that tidbit about the studios on the old forum. BTW, very observant of you regarding the LB theme in WP.
I appreciate your insight.

 

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  posted on 5/1/2002 at 09:10 PM
Just for the record, Les Brers was played a good bit in 2000 as well. I saw an incredible version in Raleigh September 9 2000 with Jimmy Herring. It'll knock your f**king socks off.
 
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  posted on 5/2/2002 at 09:07 AM
They played it in '75 at the Jimmy Carter benefit -- one of the examples of the "massive" takes on it they did then SGGS -- and also 7/8/89 in Columbia MD. Both are great, especially Butch & Jaimoe's 10 minute solo in the latter show.

Dickey one time in a radio interview said that when he brought the song to the band, it sounded like a familiar tune and they should be careful about unknowingly plagarizing someone -- it could be a "Russian folk song," he recalled the band's conversation at the time. Then they played the WPost from FEast and realized THAT'S where the riff came from.

 

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  posted on 5/2/2002 at 10:48 AM
Stephen- what's SGGS?
I'd never heard the bit about the Russian folk song, but here's a funny coincidence: Les Brers definitely has kind of a familiar melody, and the song I occasionally hear it compared to is called Midnight in Moscow. It's funny too that Dickey didn't even realize where he'd gotten the riff from. I always assumed he decided that part was cool and elected to make a song out of it, and just didn't finish until Eat a Peach.

 

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  posted on 5/2/2002 at 10:49 AM
Seconding the sentiment that Jimmy tore the hell out that tune . . . my favorite so far is 9/23/2000. That whole show burns.

 

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  posted on 5/2/2002 at 11:13 AM
Damn Marley -- maybe that's why that "Russian folk song" reference was made, there may indeed be such a song that was deep in the Brothers' songwriting consciousness at the time! Joh Fogerty once got sued for plagarizing himself -- you never know, the Brothers might get sued yet!!

BTW SGGS is SheGaveGoodSunflower's acronym.

 

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  posted on 5/2/2002 at 11:20 AM
Top Droog,
The 9/23 show is the one I was talking about. I don't know where I got 9/9? Damn right it burns. "Loan me a Dime" and "Done Somebody Wrong" as well as "Every Hungry Woman" are hard to beat.

 
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  posted on 5/2/2002 at 12:57 PM
I've heard Midnight in Moscow a couple of times- I don't know who the author is (allmusic.com lists several different authors, including "Traditional" and "Russian Folk Song"). The arrangement I heard was a jazzy one done by a saxophone group called the Nuclear Whales. I'll see if I can post a link.

 

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  posted on 5/2/2002 at 01:12 PM
Here we are: http://www.nuclearwhales.com/midnight.html
I don't see more than a passing resemblance, if even that. Dickey's in no danger here -- unlike Rave On, which I heard he was sued over.
The Nuclear Whales Saxophone Orchestra -- and by the way, check out their homepage, you haven't lived until you've seen a horn big enough to SCARE you -- thinks the song is by Kenny Ball, who is cited by the author by many of the other bands who've done the song.

By the way, how did Fogerty manage to get sued for plagiarizing himself?

 

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  posted on 5/2/2002 at 01:14 PM
One other thing: if you follow the link, you have to click on the title of the song to hear it.

 

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  posted on 5/2/2002 at 01:28 PM
Fogerty's problem was his obstinance and stupidity in forfeiting his rights to all of the Credence recordings when the band broke up. He did it out of a perverted sense of pride. "Run and Jump" was an obvious ripoff of "Run through the Jungle," but I'm glad Fogerty was vindicated. He wrote the songs and he deserves the rights to them, but he brought that **** on himself. Man, he must be an incredible **** (disowning his brother right up to the man's death).
 
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  posted on 5/2/2002 at 02:06 PM
That's what the music business can do to you Michael -- you can get sued for plagarism over songs you wrote yourself, and the pressures of the business end of it can splinter families, as it did John & (the late) Tom Fogarty. I'm not sure how much of the blame should be put at John Fogarty's doorstep. I don't care what the circumstances are, it's a sad day for humanity and common sense when you get sued for plagarizing yourself.

 

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  posted on 5/2/2002 at 02:57 PM
I believe Neil Young was sued by his label during the 80's in his "This Note is For You" days.

As for them 2000 summer shows, I still PREFER the Mountain Jams from that tour. I hear something new every time I pop'em on. The threesome of Derek, Jimmy, & Oteil really get "out there" from the typical ABB that I am used to hearing.

 
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