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  posted on 9/4/2008 at 02:19 AM
Just watched the overnight replay of her speech.

Very impressive. Extremely impressive. Not just her poise and ability to articulate a speech like that, but her knowledge as well.

Interesting.

 

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  posted on 9/4/2008 at 02:58 AM
Looked like a pitbull with lipstick to me

 

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  posted on 9/4/2008 at 05:29 AM
Before this thread get's ugly, why don't y'all take it over to the Whipping Post.
 

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  posted on 9/4/2008 at 06:51 AM
and not to mention she is just plain HOT.

 

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  posted on 9/4/2008 at 07:39 AM
I am sure it will not be popular to say around here but...that was one impressive lady last night!
 

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  posted on 9/4/2008 at 07:55 AM
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Looked like a pitbull with lipstick to me


that was a funny line last night

 

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  posted on 9/4/2008 at 09:17 AM
Yes Sarah delivered an awesome speech!

 

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  posted on 9/4/2008 at 10:57 AM
Worth reading:

Attacks, praise stretch truth at GOP convention By JIM KUHNHENN, Associated Press Writer
Wed Sep 3, 11:48 PM ET



Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin and her Republican supporters held back little Wednesday as they issued dismissive attacks on Barack Obama and flattering praise on her credentials to be vice president. In some cases, the reproach and the praise stretched the truth.

Some examples:

PALIN: "I have protected the taxpayers by vetoing wasteful spending ... and championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress. I told the Congress 'thanks but no thanks' for that Bridge to Nowhere."

THE FACTS: As mayor of Wasilla, Palin hired a lobbyist and traveled to Washington annually to support earmarks for the town totaling $27 million. In her two years as governor, Alaska has requested nearly $750 million in special federal spending, by far the largest per-capita request in the nation. While Palin notes she rejected plans to build a $398 million bridge from Ketchikan to an island with 50 residents and an airport, that opposition came only after the plan was ridiculed nationally as a "bridge to nowhere."

PALIN: "There is much to like and admire about our opponent. But listening to him speak, it's easy to forget that this is a man who has authored two memoirs but not a single major law or reform — not even in the state senate."

THE FACTS: Compared to McCain and his two decades in the Senate, Obama does have a more meager record. But he has worked with Republicans to pass legislation that expanded efforts to intercept illegal shipments of weapons of mass destruction and to help destroy conventional weapons stockpiles. The legislation became law last year. To demean that accomplishment would be to also demean the work of Republican Sen. Richard Lugar of Indiana, a respected foreign policy voice in the Senate. In Illinois, he was the leader on two big, contentious measures in Illinois: studying racial profiling by police and requiring recordings of interrogations in potential death penalty cases. He also successfully co-sponsored major ethics reform legislation.

PALIN: "The Democratic nominee for president supports plans to raise income taxes, raise payroll taxes, raise investment income taxes, raise the death tax, raise business taxes, and increase the tax burden on the American people by hundreds of billions of dollars."

THE FACTS: The Tax Policy Center, a think tank run jointly by the Brookings Institution and the Urban Institute, concluded that Obama's plan would increase after-tax income for middle-income taxpayers by about 5 percent by 2012, or nearly $2,200 annually. McCain's plan, which cuts taxes across all income levels, would raise after tax-income for middle-income taxpayers by 3 percent, the center concluded.

Obama would provide $80 billion in tax breaks, mainly for poor workers and the elderly, including tripling the Earned Income Tax Credit for minimum-wage workers and higher credits for larger families.

He also would raise income taxes, capital gains and dividend taxes on the wealthiest. He would raise payroll taxes on taxpayers with incomes above $250,000, and he would raise corporate taxes. Small businesses that make more than $250,000 a year would see taxes rise.

MCCAIN: "She's been governor of our largest state, in charge of 20 percent of America's energy supply ... She's responsible for 20 percent of the nation's energy supply. I'm entertained by the comparison and I hope we can keep making that comparison that running a political campaign is somehow comparable to being the executive of the largest state in America," he said in an interview with ABC News' Charles Gibson.

THE FACTS: McCain's phrasing exaggerates both claims. Palin is governor of a state that ranks second nationally in crude oil production, but she's no more "responsible" for that resource than President Bush was when he was governor of Texas, another oil-producing state. In fact, her primary power is the ability to tax oil, which she did in concert with the Alaska Legislature. And where Alaska is the largest state in America, McCain could as easily have called it the 47th largest state — by population.

MCCAIN: "She's the commander of the Alaska National Guard. ... She has been in charge, and she has had national security as one of her primary responsibilities," he said on ABC.

THE FACTS: While governors are in charge of their state guard units, that authority ends whenever those units are called to actual military service. When guard units are deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan, for example, they assume those duties under "federal status," which means they report to the Defense Department, not their governors. Alaska's national guard units have a total of about 4,200 personnel, among the smallest of state guard organizations.

FORMER ARKANSAS GOV. MIKE HUCKABEE: Palin "got more votes running for mayor of Wasilla, Alaska than Joe Biden got running for president of the United States."

THE FACTS: A whopper. Palin got 616 votes in the 1996 mayor's election, and got 909 in her 1999 re-election race, for a total of 1,525. Biden dropped out of the race after the Iowa caucuses, but he still got 76,165 votes in 23 states and the District of Columbia where he was on the ballot during the 2008 presidential primaries.

FORMER MASSACHUSETTS GOV. MITT ROMNEY: "We need change, all right — change from a liberal Washington to a conservative Washington! We have a prescription for every American who wants change in Washington — throw out the big-government liberals, and elect John McCain and Sarah Palin."

THE FACTS: A Back-to-the-Future moment. George W. Bush, a conservative Republican, has been president for nearly eight years. And until last year, Republicans controlled Congress. Only since January 2007 have Democrats have been in charge of the House and Senate.


 

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  posted on 9/4/2008 at 12:49 PM
That ain't even close to the whole story. But, better clarified over in the Whipping Post.

 

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  posted on 9/4/2008 at 12:51 PM
Whipping Post.

 

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  posted on 9/4/2008 at 12:53 PM

 

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  posted on 9/4/2008 at 01:48 PM
She didn't really say anything besides a lets drill for oil in Alaska. Her whole speech was a sarcastic attack on Obama. Unlike Obama and Biden who came out and gave their vision of what we need to do to fix our country. The Republicans seem to be implying that everything is going fine so lets keep those Bush policies going. What did she say about the floundering economy? Or the budget deficit? What did she say about foriegn policy?? I haven't heard anything yet from her about anything. I certainly haven't been very impressed to this point. Yes, she gives a good speech, but she's gonna have to back that up with some substance if she wants to win over swing voters or Independents like myself.

Lets see what happens in the debates when you have McCain's experience vs Obama's inexperience and Biden's experience vs Palin's inexperience. If McCain is so much more experienced then he should have a grasp of the issues far superior to Obama's and should win the debates hands down. And Biden should be able to easily beat Palin when they debate espesially on foriegn affairs. We will see, but if there is gonna be any mind changing, that is when it will come.


I think McCain is gonna have his hands full trying to explain his 95% voting record with Bush.

 

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  posted on 9/4/2008 at 02:17 PM
And that is a bad thing? Thanks to the tax cuts and our defense inititive, you're safe
today to say that.
McCain/Palin '08

 

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  posted on 9/4/2008 at 02:18 PM
She was awesome !!!! She's a stand up lady and I respect that .
 

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  posted on 9/4/2008 at 02:43 PM
An Alaskan governor that wants to drill in ANWR....hmmmm....

 

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  posted on 9/4/2008 at 02:51 PM
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An Alaskan governor that wants to drill in ANWR....hmmmm....


Yeah she just has a stellar environmental record

Palin, McCain's vice presidential running mate, has had frequent run-ins with environmentalists.

In her 20 months as governor, Palin has questioned the conclusions of federal marine scientists who say the Cook Inlet beluga whale needs protection under the federal Endangered Species Act.

She has defended Alaska's right to shoot down wolves from the air to boost caribou and moose herds for hunters, and — contrary to a view held by McCain — is not convinced that global warming is the result of human activity.

Environmentalists have nicknamed Palin the "killa from Wasilla," a reference to the small town where she formerly was mayor.

"Her philosophy from our perspective is cut, kill, dig and drill," said John Toppenberg, director of the Alaska Wildlife Alliance, maintaining she is "in the Stone Age of wildlife management and is very opposed to utilizing accepted science."

 

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  posted on 9/4/2008 at 04:23 PM
I was listening to a commercial for a Rush Limbaugh,I can't stand him, and he was talking how great of a pick Palin was. I am sure she is a fine person and politician, but if she was a democrat with the situation with her daughter he would be taking her to the whipping post and beating that into the ground. I don't have a problem with her at all and whatever her family situation is, does not bother me in the least and is not an issue.
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McCain/Palin '08



Our military is in tatters right now and the middle class which make up the vast majority of this country are hurting. If you think that the Bush's failed policies have been successful and our country should just stay the same, then you must be a top 5% wealthy person. Either that or you are living with your eyes closed.

 

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  posted on 9/4/2008 at 04:56 PM
I didn't like her speech, both the content and tone were off-putting to me. Then again, it wasn't exactly aimed at me, to put it mildly.

I can't say I'm surprised it went over well with most conservatives, it was definitely a "preaching to the choir" kind of speech. The delegates at the convention loved it.

However, I'll be really surprised if it changes anybody's mind about anything. If you're trying to reach out to Democrats and independents, that is not the speech you give.


 
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  posted on 9/4/2008 at 05:03 PM
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  posted on 9/4/2008 at 05:08 PM
In my opinion, Gov Palin is not a good role model for women. She doesn't seem to be able to control her own body. Some people should practice abstinence DURING marriage if you're not into birth control. Adoption is a good option if you already have 4 kids and want more. She did not set a good example for her own daughter. How would you feel if your mother was pregnant when you were in high school?? She should have turned the VP nomination down and let her daughter's private life stay private. Her daughter needs her more than America does.



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  posted on 9/4/2008 at 05:34 PM
WOW. Thank goodness my mother's parents didn't have that same opinion about some arbitrary family size, since my my mom is one of seven biological children.

[Edited on 9/4/2008 by hotlantatim]

 

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  posted on 9/4/2008 at 05:39 PM
Tim, my grandfather was the oldest of 17 children.....35 years between the oldest and youngest. My great-grandparents were still popping out kids while my grandparents were.

 

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  posted on 9/4/2008 at 06:31 PM
Guys, it's 2008 and the world (except for Alaska) is over populated. Your grandmothers and other women didn't have much control over their situation. Women have had access to effective birth control for decades and should reproduce responsibly. I don't have anything against large families but I do think parents who want lots of kids in this day and age should consider adoption. There are many, many, many children in this world that need good homes. Lots of them have special needs.
She's against sex education and preaches abstinence which I believe is not good for American women and their families. She scares me.

Your mileage may vary...

 

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I didn't like her speech, both the content and tone were off-putting to me. Then again, it wasn't exactly aimed at me, to put it mildly.

I can't say I'm surprised it went over well with most conservatives, it was definitely a "preaching to the choir" kind of speech. The delegates at the convention loved it.

However, I'll be really surprised if it changes anybody's mind about anything. If you're trying to reach out to Democrats and independents, that is not the speech you give.




I agree Rob, the conventions really aren't there to swing any voters. It's easy to sound solid when no one in the room is going to challenge anything you say until you're done speaking, and they're done chearing. So far I'd say the Republican convention has been pretty unimpressive - Leiberman's speech was mostly self-contradictory, even in it's most cliched moments. McCain has been in poor form lately while Obama has been at the top of his game, and Palin will need to hold her own when she goes toe-to-toe with Biden. Palin is not likely to win over any former-Hillary supporters with her ultra-convservative views (at least none that I have met in the NYC area), so I don't really see her being much of a factor. In the end people still vote for the first name on the ballot.

As for Palin's family "issues", who really cares? Especially Palin's own pregnancies are not, I think that issue died in the 70s. A woman should be able to choose if she wants to have another child or not. She's going to have more difficult questions to answer, such as being a person that still thinks banning books is a good idea.

[Edited on 9/4/2008 by porkchopbob]

 

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