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  posted on 11/16/2007 at 03:47 PM
Remembering that the John DuBois tape was aquired by someone running an ad in a News paper and that ad was ....answered.


What if we had "Volunteers" from a mumber of cities that agreed to run an ad in their Local rag:

"Wanted, Local recordings of The Allman Brothers Band pre 1972"

Just to see if Lightning strikes twice?

We could set it up through this site, What the Hell, We are a family.

I'll agree to run an ad in San Diego if others will step up and agree as well....

 

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  posted on 11/17/2007 at 04:35 PM



I've always thought this was the solution to fiinding ANY old unheard or lost recording, or even a video. Think America's Most Wanted Recording or Video. We need a moderator for such a tv show, maybe Peter Fonda some other big celebrity from the late sixties to the early 70's. Cable has a channel for everything why not rare recordings. Maybe these channels are already up and running and I don't know about it.

 

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  posted on 11/17/2007 at 07:18 PM
That is a good idea, and possibly the most feasible one at this time.

However I sispect the biggest hinderance being that tapers cannot upload their recordings to DIME. There have been untold numbers of previously uncirculated shows from other bands that are only circulating now because of DIME. Many of the old tapers know about it and many of them put their stuff on there.

I wish very much that ABB would change this policy, even if it was just pre-1980's recordings or something. I think people would be shocked what would appear in the trading pool if we were allowed to trade it online. I doubt there is much more Duane to be found, but even one or two shows would be worth the effort.



 

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  posted on 11/17/2007 at 07:25 PM
Boss, I couldn't have said it better myself. Though, I don't think that the band will ever change its mind on the online deal! I think its just to sore a subject to even question!

 

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  posted on 11/17/2007 at 08:19 PM
DIME ? I've traded a number of shows and I'm unfamiliar with DIME although if it is going to result in more Duane and Berry shows, I think I'd like to know more about it.. Thanks
 

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  posted on 11/17/2007 at 08:45 PM
What's up, dabo. the fellas above are talking about www.dimeadozen.org, a bt (bit torrent) site.

You can find just about anything under the sun on there, unless a band has contacted them and specifically requested that their music not be hosted, or has a very clearly stated and accessible "no electronic trading" policy, which the ABB has, so, no ABB there.

 

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  posted on 11/18/2007 at 02:14 AM
I just found a guy who had videos of the Allmans from 1971 on 8mm, turns out he couldn't find them and more likely than not he'd taped over them with his own band performances. Close ...... no cigar.

[Edited on 11/18/2007 by scotiadave]

 

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  posted on 1/12/2008 at 09:26 PM
I found somebody who has a supposed 120 minute 7/17/70 video. Wonder if its legit?

 

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  posted on 1/13/2008 at 09:32 AM
imagine no possessions...

and those tapes & VIDEO!!!!!! were made to see the light of day in time for those who got to experience the original lineup could once again hear, see, and FEEL!!!! the power and vision a bunch of kids in Macon were brewing up that is vibrant to this day.

how many people do you know who have (somehow) lost touch with music in general, with music mostly just something in the background. now imagine reigniting the spark with being able to re-experience what it was like to be young and crazy and seeing some band from Georgia that you might not have heard about come into the hippe joint and just blow peoples minds? (at least it makes for an interesting story )

and then one of them remembers a box of old things from years gone by, or that he hasn't spoken to good-time buddy #1 in ages and he might have something along those lines. amazing tapes have been found in the strangest of places after years and years of being hidden in plain site practically.

that fillmore vid of Don't Keep Me Wondering begs the question, where's the rest? wasn't it two cameras? and why does the vid not show any of Duane's solos, it's got to be in the orinal editing of the footage?

sorry for the ramble, it's a good ole Sunday morning on Wrigley Lake, GA

 

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  posted on 1/13/2008 at 10:30 AM
There are also the "collectors" that have a lot of the older recordings and have no interest in sharing them with anyone.

 

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  posted on 1/13/2008 at 11:04 AM
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There are also the "collectors" that have a lot of the older recordings and have no interest in sharing them with anyone.
That is sadly true.
I have posted in other parts of the Forum about former WNET employees I know who when they filmed at the Fillmore east said that Bill Graham Video taped every show..for a fact.
The Band of Gypsys from NYE is filmed in part by one stationary camera from stage left mezzanine, and looks grainy like a video security camera.. and not the way a regular film crew would do it. It's been a while since I seen it.

In any event, I'm in on any teaming up in NYC

[Edited on 1/13/2008 by SkyPuppy]

 

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  posted on 1/13/2008 at 01:37 PM
I think that everyone would be surprised at what is really out there. Personally, I know of several Hour Glass recordings, and some other interesting Duane recordings that have never been circulated or even mentioned. One of these days, I suppose...

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  posted on 1/13/2008 at 02:20 PM
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I just found a guy who had videos of the Allmans from 1971 on 8mm, turns out he couldn't find them and more likely than not he'd taped over them with his own band performances. Close ...... no cigar.

[Edited on 11/18/2007 by scotiadave]


A few years ago on Ebay I won "Watkins Glen Summer Jam 8mm footage" of the entire festival, and when it was time for the seller to produce the merchandise, he told me that he lost the footage and probably his son accidentally threw it in the garbage. No cigar for me either!

 

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  posted on 1/13/2008 at 02:25 PM
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I just found a guy who had videos of the Allmans from 1971 on 8mm, turns out he couldn't find them and more likely than not he'd taped over them with his own band performances. Close ...... no cigar.

[Edited on 11/18/2007 by scotiadave]


A few years ago on Ebay I won "Watkins Glen Summer Jam 8mm footage" of the entire festival, and when it was time for the seller to produce the merchandise, he told me that he lost the footage and probably his son accidentally threw it in the garbage. No cigar for me either!


That seems like a common problem. I wonder if someone is getting to the seller before the transaction is completed, and offering a premium to buy outright? I've had similar things happen to me from time to time. I wonder how often this really happens?

It seems to me like if someone went to the trouble to list something for auction, he'd actually have his hands on that item...
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  posted on 1/13/2008 at 02:46 PM

I turned up the original copy of the Fillmore East video back in the 1980s with an ad in Guitar Player Magazine. Here's a story I wrote about that find:

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My second score came in a more roundabout way. Once I started my Duane collection, I began a single-minded, obsessive search for all things Duane. I'm sure no one here has ever done anything like that ... heh.

Because I'd spent 14 years hiding from the Brothers music -- unable to cope with the very real pain I felt -- I missed out on some nice Duane Allman material. A trader friend told me that in 1981 Guitar Player magazine had devoted an entire issue to Duane on the 10th anniversary of his death. Well, I had to have that! Unfortunately the issue was sold out, so I needed to get a little creative. I wrote a letter to the magazine asking if they could maybe find just ONE issue back in the vaults, that it would be so important to me as a fan from the old days. I got a very nice reply from Jas Obrecht, Senior Editor at Guitar Player, along with a copy of the issue. What a treasure!

Well, I was so happy that I felt like I had to call Jas and thank him personally, and the phone number was right there on the letterhead. Jas and I connected immediately -- we were kindred spirits when it came to Duane Allman. That commemorative issue was his baby, and he had set aside a few copies just in case he ever ran into someone like me. I told Jas about my quest for Duane video and sent him a copy of Southern Voices, American Dream. He was amazed, of course, and we talked endlessly about it. But, as good as it was, the music was from LAFE, not from the performance itself. There had to be something more. I asked Jas for his help. He agreed, and put a classified ad in the magazine requesting assistance in locating Duane Allman video. Neither of us expected a response, of course, but it was worth a try.

About a month later I got a call from Jas, all excited, and found out someone had contacted him. Think about it -- one ad, in one issue of a single magazine, and the one person who could help happened to see it and respond. Think about it.

I contacted the guy in Philadelphia, Jeff Z, and got the whole story. Seems his old running buddy used to work for a public TV station in New York City and he discovered some vintage footage in their archives that had never been broadcast. It was part of a series of live performances at the Fillmore East, but because of a problem with the vocal on the first song and a half, it had not been included when the program was put together. Since it had never been aired, it was in a section of the archives that was little visited and not with the rest of the show. The running buddy knew of Jeff's love of the Brothers, so he ran him a quick copy -- only thing was, he used a Sony Betamax. The good news was that it would be much higher quality than VHS. The bad news was that Betamax players were very difficult to find.

I got to work.

When I first started tape trading I got really lucky. I had an old friend from Gainesville, FL, that had moved to Atlanta about the same time I did. Adam is a real techy dude. (He was the first guy I ever met with a computer, an Altair with blinking lights and no keyboard -- to provide input, you had to throw switches on the front.) Adam's major hobby had been -- for years -- sneaking a Nakamichi into live shows to make recordings. But Adam made the tapes just for himself -- like me until then, he hadn't even known about the huge tape trading community centered on the Grateful Dead. So once I started trading, I just visited Adam, started rolling tape, and began my list with a hundred or so high quality shows that nobody else had ever seen. Good way to start, let me tell you.

Why do I mention Adam? In his day job, he is the Operations Manager for Southern Satellite Systems (SSS) -- a huge satellite dish farm in Douglasville, GA. SSS was the provider that uplinked the TBS signal to the satellite -- because of FCC regulations Turner couldn't do it himself -- and their building was chock full of every high-tech broadcast video gizmo that had ever been invented. And yes, he had a home Betamax unit.

It took a real leap of faith for Jeff to send me his one-and-only, first generation, Betamax copy of this precious show ... but he did. I treated it like it was more precious than gold (it was) and drove down to SSS. Adam and his Chief Engineer had everything already set up. They ran the signal from the Betamax player through several sophisticated digital processors to improve the image and correct errors and recorded it directly onto professional Sony U-Matic 3/4-inch tape. I will never, ever, forget the first time I saw it, in the studio, along with those two guys, hanging on to every note, crying for joy. Sure, the vocal is missing in the mix for a song and a half, the cameraman kept aiming at the wrong player, the video editor kept choosing the wrong shots -- still it is Brother Duane and Brother Berry, playing in all their glory.

I had the Holy Grail in my hand.

 

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  posted on 1/13/2008 at 06:56 PM
I know for a fact the abb archives have some duane/berry shows their sitting on.

 

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  posted on 1/13/2008 at 07:19 PM
Hophead, Great story written with real passion!

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  posted on 1/13/2008 at 07:49 PM
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I know for a fact the abb archives have some duane/berry shows their sitting on.


Some of the folks that don't come around here anymore do that because they KNOW a lot of vintage stuff is being sat on.

 

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  posted on 1/14/2008 at 02:30 PM
WOW Hophead, thanks for the info on that - amazing!
 

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  posted on 1/14/2008 at 03:05 PM
I'll run a classified in Vintage Guitar Magazine, i get a free one for subscribing

 

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