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  posted on 7/14/2007 at 11:07 AM
Hey all,

I was hoping to find out about the quality of the archive CDs. I bought the Stony Brook CD for my wife for her birthday. I was actually really disappointed if not appalled at the bad quality of this recording. Nowhere does it state that it's not of good soundboard quality. And for that price, it really should've been a top quality release. How can they justify releasing something that poor for that much money?

Anyways, how is the quality of the other ones? Please tell me they are better than this one.

 

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  posted on 7/14/2007 at 11:55 AM
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The Stony Brook show is definitely the lowest quality release, and it's not even close. It's also my personal favorite release. The tapes are what they are, and you can only do so much to fix them, but I'm glad they released that show regardless of the sound quality because the quality of the performance is so outstanding.


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  posted on 7/14/2007 at 12:27 PM
You can listen to sound samples on Hittin the Note.
 

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  posted on 7/14/2007 at 12:46 PM
Capt Skipper really does a great job with them.....just wish they came out faster. Got to feed that fever
 

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  posted on 7/14/2007 at 12:53 PM
I don't think the quality is all that bad after the first couple of songs. But the performance more then makes up for it.
 

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  posted on 7/14/2007 at 12:57 PM
The sound quality is bad at first but steadily improves. Still, it's a remarkable unique performance of the original band at the height of their powers. So it's a must have.

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  posted on 7/14/2007 at 03:17 PM
There was a lot thought given to cutting the first three songs from the Stonybrook Archive but we wanted to give you the whole concert. We do mention, in bright red print on our website, that the sound mix improves through the first 3-4 songs.

Perhaps you bought this CD at a show and there wasn't a warning? We hope that the outstanding remaining songs more than makes up for the problems of the first few...

I'm working on getting more song samples up - glad ya'll noticed!

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  posted on 7/15/2007 at 08:31 AM
Just love the music, it's history and magic of the moment.....
hopefully you'll find that's more important that a couple of "fuzzies"
here and there sound wise....
Cap't Skipper does indeed make a tremendous effort and do a lot of magic
to make whatever improvments are possible.
Hat's off and many thanks to the Skipper!!!
Each ARCHIVE release is truly worth it's weight platinum, gold or whatever....
Buy 'em all, and you help to support a great company as well....

 

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  posted on 7/15/2007 at 10:03 AM
nicely said
 

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  posted on 7/15/2007 at 10:11 AM
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Nowhere does it state that it's not of good soundboard quality.


Actually it does say that it's not soundboard quality. Right there in the liner notes:

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This CD was compiled from three analog master 7 1/2" IPS 1/4" stereo reels. The live mix evolved from the first song & continued to improve as the set progressed. Great care was taken to improve the sonic quality of the first few tracks to achieve a pleasing audio experience. The inherent shortcomings of 30 year old tape & the live concert setting may be noticeable to the listener. We hope the performance more than makes up for these flaws.

 

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  posted on 7/15/2007 at 10:50 AM
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Nowhere does it state that it's not of good soundboard quality.


Actually it does say that it's not soundboard quality. Right there in the liner notes:

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This CD was compiled from three analog master 7 1/2" IPS 1/4" stereo reels. The live mix evolved from the first song & continued to improve as the set progressed. Great care was taken to improve the sonic quality of the first few tracks to achieve a pleasing audio experience. The inherent shortcomings of 30 year old tape & the live concert setting may be noticeable to the listener. We hope the performance more than makes up for these flaws.








So in trader language what might be a consensus for the sound grade? Is this a soundboard or an audience recording? It must be a soundboard which deteriorated over time. So is the overall show a B+? Are the first few songs a B+ and does it then become say an A- sort of audio graded show?






 

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  posted on 7/15/2007 at 10:56 AM
I don't get caught up in letter grades...

I know it sounds good to my ears listening to some smoking music. That's good enough for me.

I will say that by the time the show rolls around to Blue Sky, the sound markedly improves.

This is a watershed moment in the band's storied history. Everyone should have this album regardless of the the sound quality of the first couple songs...

 

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  posted on 7/16/2007 at 01:45 AM
To me sitting through anything of lower quality than Atlanta Pop is a torture no matter how great the performance. I even have problems with the sound of the show they put on the Eat a Peach bonus disc, let alone some old audience tapes.
 

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  posted on 7/16/2007 at 02:06 AM
To me the 1st four songs on Stoneybrook are painful to listen to most of the time, so I just cue it up to start with track 5.

Problem solved.

Every once in a while I will listen to the 1st 4 just for the historical significance.

Sort of like people who used to scour the pawn shops in Chicago and the deep south looking for original 45's recordings of the great pioneers of the Blues. I have some blues compilation recordings of old original stuff by the legends. The sound quality is horrible but its worth it.

Same thing with some very old recordings in the Bluegrass/Old Time music genre.

I have some of the 30's and 40's stuff by Bill and Charlie Monroe, Ralph and Carter Stanley, The Carter Family, Jimmie Rogers, etc. The poor sound quality pretty much fades into insignificance in light of who, and what, we are hearing.

(BTW...those 1st 4 tracks would probably be an unlistenable mess...so bad they could not have been included...if Capn Skip had not worked his magic on them.)

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[Edited on 7/16/2007 by D28guy]

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  posted on 7/16/2007 at 04:18 AM
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(BTW...those 1st 4 tracks would probably be an unlistenable mess...so bad they could not have been included...if Capn Skip had not worked his magic on them.)
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Hey D, I didnt get the opportunity to work on the Stonybrook archive release. I believe another guy named Skip wprked on that one. The first archive release I worked on was the 2/11/72 Macon City Auditorium show and the 2 releases that followed that.

 

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  posted on 7/16/2007 at 05:17 AM
CaptSkipper,

Well I'll be doggoned. I saw the name "Skip" in the credits for "audio restoration" and I just *subliminally* plugged you right in there!

Sorry!

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Sort of like people who used to scour the pawn shops in Chicago and the deep south looking for original 45's recordings of the great pioneers of the Blues. I have some blues compilation recordings of old original stuff by the legends. The sound quality is horrible but its worth it.

Same thing with some very old recordings in the Bluegrass/Old Time music genre.

I have some of the 30's and 40's stuff by Bill and Charlie Monroe, Ralph and Carter Stanley, The Carter Family, Jimmie Rogers, etc. The poor sound quality pretty much fades into insignificance in light of who, and what, we are hearing.


Exactly right. To a great extent it depends on the listener. If they're used to listening to, for example, slick 80's/90's rock productions, then they'll probably struggle with Stoneybrook. If, on the other hand, they're familier with live blues/jazz etc. from the 40s and 50's and old blues recordings of the 20s and 30s, then Stoneybrook will sound just fine.

Speaking personally, Stoneybrook is my favourite Allmans release and I have absolutely no issue with the sound quality (or lack of it) of any of it, please can we have some more 71 recordings

 

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  posted on 7/16/2007 at 09:27 AM
Sound problems and all, Stonybrook is the most popular Archive release so far, and many people think it's worth dealing with the sonic issues in order to hear such incredible music.

This is one reason we have the sound clips available on the website. Now you can listen to these Archives before you buy them, so you know what you're getting. We are not trying to mislead anyone or engage in false advertising.

I would encourage anyone who is disappointed in the first few songs of Stonybrook to skip ahead to the incredible version of "Blue Sky" before you give up on this great show.

 
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To me sitting through anything of lower quality than Atlanta Pop is a torture no matter how great the performance. I even have problems with the sound of the show they put on the Eat a Peach bonus disc, let alone some old audience tapes.




I have not heard the official release of the Atlanta Pops show but I can tell you I have heard the traded version. The traded version had places where the tape simply crapped out and the song ended but the sound quality is amazing. I'll be the first one to tell you spiral architect that if you can't listen to a great audio of a show then you don't love good music. A bad recording is something like Clemson 9/1171 or 8/15/71 New York. I believe you are coming from the perspective of someone who has collected nothing in as far as live music. The companion disc to Eat A Peach is I believe 6/27/71 Filmore East(closing night) NY, as far as I remember. I'm just saying you need to learn to listen to music because you are speaking in a very naive manner. ALL of the older recordings sound antiquated compared to today's studio recordings. ALL LIVE recordings sound like LIVE recordings and cannot and should not be compared to slicked up studio releases.



I'd like to hear that version of Blue Sky on the Stony Brook show. LUV Blue Sky!!


 

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  posted on 7/16/2007 at 11:31 AM
I love the Stonybrook archive ; I'm so glad it was released.

The sound quality doesn't bother me at all,and as mentioned,it improves throughout the recording

To hear the original incarnation perform Blue Sky means so much. And the Stonyrook version of Dreams is just amazing--words fail me ( my favorite version , so far).

 

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  posted on 7/16/2007 at 05:58 PM
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  posted on 7/17/2007 at 02:46 AM
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"Sound problems and all, Stonybrook is the most popular Archive release so far, and many people think it's worth dealing with the sonic issues in order to hear such incredible music."


Is that a fact? Is it really the #1 seller of all the Archive releases? Thats awesome if true.

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  posted on 7/17/2007 at 08:16 AM
The second disc alone makes it worthy of purchase...Dreams and IMOER, with Duane playing spectacular slide, and awesome leads throughout both songs.

The Blue Sky is incredible too, definitely a great addition to any Duane-fan's collection.

Soundwise, the first few songs are harsher than we'd like, but during One Way Out it does get much better, and by the second side it's as good as it gets, imo, although the playing may be too intense for me to make a serious judgement on the sound...you just get too distracted by how great the playing is too really notice, at least in my experience.


Personally, I think any fan of the early stuff should purchase all the archive cds; the least attractive "sound-wise" will still sound decent in a car, what with the road noises and distraction of driving....and the performances are hot in every case.

I also like the idea of supporting the archive releases, because too often people call out for them, but then they don't folllow up and actually buy them for fear of inferior sound, slowing down the releases and putting them in jeopardy of not coming out at all.

Anyone who listens to old bootlegs should be chipping in to keep this great idea alive, and to reward the Allman's family financially for making this vintage material accessible to all, at a decent price.

Bootlegs of this stuff used to sell for big dollars back in the vinyl era, and the ABB never saw a dime of that.... to me, buying archive releases helps balance that out a little bit.

Just my two cents....



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  posted on 7/17/2007 at 08:42 AM
I don't have the numbers in front of me, but I do think Stonybrook is the top-selling Archive.

What Musicalbeds said! You go, brother, couldn't have said it any better myself.

 
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  posted on 7/17/2007 at 08:51 AM
You know, I honestly hadn't noticed a lack of quality. Focused on the music. Maybe all those years of 8-tracks, AM radio, plus the worn-out ears. Sometimes the sound quality isn't so good at live performances. Anyway, glad I bought it. Well worth what I paid, in terms of joy received.
 
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