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  posted on 3/25/2007 at 09:43 PM
just a few of the recent covers done by the ABB.

I don't like the trend at all. Hell, let's do some Floyd too, maybe some Eagles.

And the argument that they've always covered stuff doesn't really work for me
here. Big difference between covering obscure things from guys like Willie McTell and Willie Cobbs.

They used to take songs and make them their own. Now they're taking well known stuff and 'trying' to hold their own with them. These types of covers just aren't what I want from the ABB. Not that it matters of course....



 

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  posted on 3/25/2007 at 10:17 PM
To an extent, I agree with you.

Warren's influence may be rubbing off a bit too much for my tastes...

 

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  posted on 3/25/2007 at 10:27 PM
I agree. I was at last night's show, and wasn't happy at all.

First of all, where is the new material? If the band has time to learn "Dazed & Confused" and "In a Silent Way," why aren't they learning of the songs that Gregg has written? This is now five years without any new Gregg material. For all of this talk about the band being adventurous, it's not reflecting in the original music. To date, since Dickey's firing, there have only been SEVEN new ABB tunes. And one of them is "Egypt," which is a re-write of an old Otiel song.

Second, and more importantly, it's hard to not look at the band as a nostalgia band at this point. With no new music to show, and a slew of "gimmick" covers ("Layla," "Dazed & Confused," etc), it's to the point where the sheer fact that it's "the Allman Brothers doing..." is enough for people.

Granted, the musicianship is amazing, but the band sounds more like its younger members (this is really Derek & Otiel's band, now) than it does its core. Heck, even Warren sounds vastly different now than he did a decade ago.

All in all, as someone who's been a die-hard ABB fan for as long as I could walk, and who LOVED the revamped band in the 90's, I'm not thrilled with the way things are going with the band.

The Allman Brothers aren't about Derek ripping up another solo. We all know he can do it. He's a master and we get it. But that's what HIS band should be about. For me, as someone who's loved this band throughout, the band is about the core members: Gregg, Butch, Jaime and (at one point) Dickey.

And you just get none of that anymore.

 

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  posted on 3/25/2007 at 10:34 PM
I absolutely agree. To me, it's pandering. And yes--there is a big difference in taking an old blues tune and reworking it to just doing an ABB treatment to a The Band or Dylan tune. But who really knows why? Maybe Gregg doesn't want to share his new stuff (can't imagine that), but probably, it's just that there isn't a whole lot of writing going on. In a Silent Way--cool. Afro Blue--cool. Gilded Splinters--cool

But a Led Zep cover? How long, O Lord, how long?

 
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  posted on 3/25/2007 at 10:42 PM
You know, GA & DB are great songwriters, but not necessarily what I would call prolific. So I'm not expecting brand new songs at the Beacon or anything like that-I mean, this isn't Neil Young here.

But "Manic Depression" & "Dazed & Confused" is certainly odd to hear in their setlist. Id on't know what to think of it......But then again, many people were ecstatic over "Dazed & Confused" being thrown in, so that's cool.

 

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  posted on 3/25/2007 at 10:48 PM
I'll reserve comment until the whole run plays out. FWIW, I just posted a B&P of the 2006 Beacon covers, and even if you don't want a copy at least it is a list of what they did last year for comparison...

http://www.allmanbrothersband.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=XForum&file=v iewthread&tid=58496

 

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  posted on 3/25/2007 at 10:54 PM
The issue, though, is that Gregg and Butch go on (and on and on) about how much new material there is. They're always talking about the band "going in to record" and "having enough new material for an album."

To not even play ONE song?

 

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  posted on 3/25/2007 at 11:12 PM
I'm just glad they decided to keep going. When I know I am going to get to see them I have songs I hope I get to hear every time. And there are songs I all but drool during for lack of interest. But afterward I appreciate & criticize the quality of the playing. I think of the song as a canvas through which they paint some amazing musical landscapes. And if it gets me where I want to be metally & emotionally then I'm just peachy!
 

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  posted on 3/25/2007 at 11:20 PM
i must admit i love the covers...first off i dont want to hear the same songs played night after night....to hear them playing miles davis is exciting....to me great songs being reinterpreted is great and to me it is a way of expanding the setlist in new ways....the grateful dead played tons of covers as well..............sure i would love to hear new music written by the brothers but in the absence im thrilled to hear as much new stuff as possible....in fact,im hoping they break out several new covers when i go to the dates starting in april.....i caught the miles davis song..im hoping to hear manic depression and others
 

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  posted on 3/26/2007 at 02:38 AM
Hey, just be happy they havn't done (to this point, anyway) One, Desperado, Madman Across the Water or Nothing Else Matters ,etc.



 

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  posted on 3/26/2007 at 04:05 AM
Well, i kinda agree with the covers. With the CHOICE of covers that is.
On one hand i'm interested in hearing their version on "Manic Depression" and
"Dazed And Confused" but on the other hand i wished they would have played something else. I think stuff like that should be reserved for Gov't Mule. I would love to hear the Mule doing it.
Besides the hope for some real new songs i also like it when they rearrange a few of their own songs or reintroduce songs they wrote and/or recorded but haven't played in years.
Their back catalogue can be a real treasure trove.
But when they play covers i hope they stick to the two categories from which they previously chose their songs:
1) Old blues and / or jazz songs, preferably a bit obscure; not the standard blues covers
that get covered all the time. Some of them they really made their own.
2) Songs "related" to the ABB because of the fact that Duane did session work on the
original and /or famous versions of these songs
(Layla, Walk On Gilded Splinters, The Weight, etc.).

Although the current line-up is amazing and the musicianship is sublime i still think covers like "Dazed and Confused" and "Manic Depression" can rub the wrong way. I'm convinced
those versions can cause a big thrill while hearing them i also think that undeserved tags
like "Nostalgia / Classic Rock / Cover"- band come to people's mind.

But this year's run has barely started. maybe within 10 days or so we can put everything in perspective properly. maybe by then (i hope) we have found out that these kind of cover songs were limited and that they DID surprise us with a few new songs and the reintroduction of songs from the back catalogue that haven't been played in years.

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  posted on 3/26/2007 at 05:05 AM
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I agree. I was at last night's show, and wasn't happy at all.

First of all, where is the new material? If the band has time to learn "Dazed & Confused" and "In a Silent Way," why aren't they learning of the songs that Gregg has written? This is now five years without any new Gregg material. For all of this talk about the band being adventurous, it's not reflecting in the original music. To date, since Dickey's firing, there have only been SEVEN new ABB tunes. And one of them is "Egypt," which is a re-write of an old Otiel song.

Second, and more importantly, it's hard to not look at the band as a nostalgia band at this point. With no new music to show, and a slew of "gimmick" covers ("Layla," "Dazed & Confused," etc), it's to the point where the sheer fact that it's "the Allman Brothers doing..." is enough for people.

Granted, the musicianship is amazing, but the band sounds more like its younger members (this is really Derek & Otiel's band, now) than it does its core. Heck, even Warren sounds vastly different now than he did a decade ago.

All in all, as someone who's been a die-hard ABB fan for as long as I could walk, and who LOVED the revamped band in the 90's, I'm not thrilled with the way things are going with the band.

The Allman Brothers aren't about Derek ripping up another solo. We all know he can do it. He's a master and we get it. But that's what HIS band should be about. For me, as someone who's loved this band throughout, the band is about the core members: Gregg, Butch, Jaime and (at one point) Dickey.







Well, I understand your point but I look at it as the band is evolving, and obvioulsy everyone is not happy with the direction.
I personally tire very quickly of the same treatment of the same old songs.
And yes, I do wish there was new material and a new recording, but this is what we have right now.

Lets give the run time to unfold and finish up and reserve judgement until then. We're lucky that we have a forum like this to say what we want and to agree and disagree on what we want.





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  posted on 3/26/2007 at 05:13 AM
These guys have the right to play what the hell they want. Why cant we all just enjoy it?? Geez. They are the greatest band going right now. I personally dont care what covers they do. Just PLAY.

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  posted on 3/26/2007 at 06:10 AM
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These guys have the right to play what the hell they want. Why cant we all just enjoy it?? Geez. They are the greatest band going right now. I personally dont care what covers they do. Just PLAY.

Just my .02


l aggree, There isn't may bands out there now that l'ed like to see. So l'm happy l get a chance to see them 5+ times a year.

 

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  posted on 3/26/2007 at 06:24 AM
If I was only going to see one show, I would want nothing by ABB songs, since I see them 3-4 times, I love the mix of songs.

I also buy the 1 pack of instant live concerts and the covers are a big reason.

I loved Manic Depression and I Derek play slide to a Hendrix tune was amazing.

 

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I agree. I was at last night's show, and wasn't happy at all.

First of all, where is the new material? If the band has time to learn "Dazed & Confused" and "In a Silent Way," why aren't they learning of the songs that Gregg has written? This is now five years without any new Gregg material. For all of this talk about the band being adventurous, it's not reflecting in the original music. To date, since Dickey's firing, there have only been SEVEN new ABB tunes. And one of them is "Egypt," which is a re-write of an old Otiel song.

Second, and more importantly, it's hard to not look at the band as a nostalgia band at this point. With no new music to show, and a slew of "gimmick" covers ("Layla," "Dazed & Confused," etc), it's to the point where the sheer fact that it's "the Allman Brothers doing..." is enough for people.

Granted, the musicianship is amazing, but the band sounds more like its younger members (this is really Derek & Otiel's band, now) than it does its core. Heck, even Warren sounds vastly different now than he did a decade ago.

All in all, as someone who's been a die-hard ABB fan for as long as I could walk, and who LOVED the revamped band in the 90's, I'm not thrilled with the way things are going with the band.

The Allman Brothers aren't about Derek ripping up another solo. We all know he can do it. He's a master and we get it. But that's what HIS band should be about. For me, as someone who's loved this band throughout, the band is about the core members: Gregg, Butch, Jaime and (at one point) Dickey.

And you just get none of that anymore.



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  posted on 3/26/2007 at 06:43 AM
I agree 100% with the original post. I've been saying for several years now that the ABB needs to explore their own back catalogue and unearth some of their forgotten tunes that haven't been played in years rather than play random cover songs of their contemporaries.

Where are tunes like Nobody Knows, Sailin' Across The Devil's Sea, Win, Lose, Or Draw, Queen of Hearts, Just Ain't Easy, True Gravity, etc? I'd much rather hear any of these songs over a cover.

 
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  posted on 3/26/2007 at 06:43 AM
I'm a die hard fan. I love their music, always have, always will. I own practially everything they have put out, including Instant Lives. They can play any ol thing they want and I am happy - cause they are so tight, they make each and every note they play their own. I was at Friday nights show - and to head The Sky is Crying - buckled my knees! THEN bring on Manic Depression?!? ahhhhhhh just great stuff. I got a call from a friend who was at Saturday night's show - that they were doing Dazed & Confused....would have LOVED to have heard it, and hope I get the opportunity to.

Going on April 2nd - hope there are some surprises! Talent is as talent does - and these boys can do ANYTHING they damn well please, and that just thrills me!

 

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  posted on 3/26/2007 at 06:47 AM
Chuck, I disagree. These guys are the greatest thing out there because of their catalogue of songs and musicianship. When these guys start playing a bunch of feel good covers from the "Glory Days" they become nothing but a bar band with an incredibly high cover charge. Listen to the Last Waltz and compare the Band's original versions of their songs to these lame covers. There's a huge difference between taking an old Muddy Waters tune and reworking into something unique and special than just copying someone else's songs. Yeah, they have earned the right to play whatever they want. They should stick to the work that earned them that and expand on that rather than cover bands that weren't even close to being as musically adept as them. Maybe Derek should get some geri-curl and some spandex. We'll have to discuss this at length at Yogi's Thursday afternoon!!

 

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  posted on 3/26/2007 at 06:56 AM
Hey everybody, just be thankful we have an Allman Brothers Band to go see. I remember when that wasn't an option. I'm just happy to get to see them once a year and anything they choose to play is music to my ears. Thanks guys for all the memories, thanks Lana and Rowland for giving us this site, and thanks everybody else for getting it.......

 

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  posted on 3/26/2007 at 07:05 AM
Frank Sinatra,Louis Armstrong,ABB great artists cover great material.
 

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  posted on 3/26/2007 at 07:07 AM
Bring Back Dickey....... now is that more like a Monday morning post or what ???

Just thought I'd change it up a bit... it's all in fun ( with alot of truth ) but can you handle the truth....

Please don't slam me.... I don't want any bruises on the bod... I have a Beacon show coming up Sat 31 yea haaaa

 

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  posted on 3/26/2007 at 07:35 AM
I wasn't there but the reports from friends were great. Sometimes a good song is just a good song no need to get into a debate on the original line up's thoughts on Led Zep IMO. It's Rock n Roll on a Friday night. Sit back and enjoy !
 

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  posted on 3/26/2007 at 07:44 AM
Bring on the truth... maybe Butch needs to focus more on new material and less on the gimicks like webcasts, etc.

 

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  posted on 3/26/2007 at 07:55 AM
To a certain extend, I agree with that the ABB is becoming more a "classic rock cover band". It's sad, and it's pandering, and somewhat self-indulgent (does anyone REALLY THINK a 20 minute JaBuMa, is necessary every night?). For a band that's been playing close to 40 years they already have a deep songbook of ABB material to work from. In addition, the ABB has always had a great ability to re-work many blues songs that most people would have probably never heard, if the ABB had not re-interpeted them. Indeed, the ABB has only recently started to do the same thing with jazz material such as "In a Silent Way", and I for one would be interested in hearding them "Allmanize" some more jazz classics. As far as the "rock covers", well I can understand the ABB doing songs such as "The Weight" because the version they are doing is the one that Duane Allman cut with Arthea Franklin, so at least there is some sort of a connection, and it's the same sort of thing with songs like "Layla". But Led Zepplin, Jimi Hendrix????? What the hell has that got to do with the Allman Brothers Band? If someone want to hear "rock covers" then go on down to their local club and heard a "cover or better yet, a tribute" band as they do those old classics night after night, and I guessing, as good if not better than the ABB. But let's hope the ABB doesn't really become "Warren Haynes' Favorite Rock Songs (circa 68-72) Band", as Government Mule is a much better band for doing that sort of thing.
 
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