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  posted on 11/20/2006 at 07:36 PM
Monday Night Football is in town and it's sort of a big deal down here in little ole Jacksonville.

I'd love to do some trash talking, but have you seen the Jaguars play this year?

Big stories down here with Coughlin returning to town. They actually expect him to receive a warm welcome at the stadium...would that happen in NYC?

 
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  posted on 11/20/2006 at 07:39 PM
I'm a big Giants fan - the New York crowd would NOT give Coughlin a warm welcome if he was an ex-coach.

The only returns I remember being warm (I am only 16, so there aren't that many) are:

Mike Piazza (w/ Padres)
Wade Boggs (w/ Devil Rays)
Mark Messier (w/ I forget)
Andy Pettite (w/ Astros - I think it happened, but I can't be sure)
Patrick Ewing (w/ Magic I think)

 

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  posted on 11/20/2006 at 07:42 PM
How could you forget Eddie Giacoman?
 

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  posted on 11/20/2006 at 08:51 PM
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Andy Pettite (w/ Astros - I think it happened, but I can't be sure)



That was a standing "O" actually.


I was there when David Wells returned with the Jays ( after the forst trade)
I was there.
Another standing O
I was leading the pack

 

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  posted on 11/20/2006 at 09:38 PM
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Because he is only 16.


Poor excuse, for any Ranger fan of any age.

 

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  posted on 11/21/2006 at 03:40 PM
i am from n.y. i HATE the giants. eli is a joke. they need a new q.b. he has had enough chances
 

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  posted on 11/21/2006 at 04:14 PM
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I'm a big Giants fan - the New York crowd would NOT give Coughlin a warm welcome if he was an ex-coach.

The only returns I remember being warm (I am only 16, so there aren't that many) are:

Mike Piazza (w/ Padres)
Wade Boggs (w/ Devil Rays)
Mark Messier (w/ I forget)
Andy Pettite (w/ Astros - I think it happened, but I can't be sure)
Patrick Ewing (w/ Magic I think)


Believe it or not,Bill Buckner got a standing ovation when he returned to the Red Sox.Wouldn't believe it myself if it wasn't for the fact that I was there.

 

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  posted on 11/21/2006 at 04:26 PM
I am a Giants fan and I cannot stand the guy. I think he is a moron. He is supposedly this disciplinarian, yet his team is one of the most penalized in the league. Tiki is done after this year, yet he only gives him the ball 10 times last night. He refuses to use the no huddle offense which does great every time they go to it. Every time his team is penalized he has this look of disbelief on his face, it drives me nuts. They've been completely outcoached several times since he has been at the helm, the most glaring was the game in Seattle this year. His team nor he had a clue. He can't be gone soon enough for me.

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  posted on 11/21/2006 at 04:33 PM
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Monday Night Football is in town and it's sort of a big deal down here in little ole Jacksonville.

I'd love to do some trash talking, but have you seen the Jaguars play this year?

Big stories down here with Coughlin returning to town. They actually expect him to receive a warm welcome at the stadium...would that happen in NYC?


You guys threw us a pretty good beating last night. There is a lot of criticism going on up here today. The bottom line is that the Giants are banged up so much that they would be lucky to beat a Division 1 college team right now. I'm not even sure they are gonna make the playoffs this year. Too many key injuries.

 

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  posted on 11/21/2006 at 04:48 PM
Couglin is hated by his players he will not last the year.
Andy Reid has lost his players hopefuly he goes.
Parcells will probably retire.
Gibbs might give up.

All new coaches for the NFC East.

 

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  posted on 11/21/2006 at 05:26 PM
As a Packer fan living in NYC I'm really enjoying watching the Cowboys slowly steal the division. Philly had plenty of chances, by far the most underacheiving team of the decade (unless San Diego continues to dissappoint under Martyball, although they're looking as good as anyone right now). Plus Philly fans are insane, never seen anything like them - they hate anyone that comes into their stadium, but have far more self-loathing due to years of watching their teams implode, underacheive or flounder.

I love watching the Giants ship sink. I've had enough of the Manning family, espeically Eli. Between their coddled QB, their grinch of a coach and the players constantly throwing each other and their coach under a bus, The Giants are just not a very fun team to watch. I'll take the Jets anyday.

As for the Redskins, how many people are even aware they still exist? If I flip past a Skins game with Gibbs on the side I assume it's espn classic.

The Cowboys are just way too fun to watch, and as old as Parcells' schtick can get, it is good to see him winning again. Plus Romo is the most exciting QB this side of Phillip Rivers right now.

 

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  posted on 11/21/2006 at 05:35 PM
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I'm a big Giants fan - the New York crowd would NOT give Coughlin a warm welcome if he was an ex-coach.

The only returns I remember being warm (I am only 16, so there aren't that many) are:

Mike Piazza (w/ Padres)
Wade Boggs (w/ Devil Rays)
Mark Messier (w/ I forget)
Andy Pettite (w/ Astros - I think it happened, but I can't be sure)
Patrick Ewing (w/ Magic I think)


Hey, don't forget Joey Buttafucko

 

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  posted on 11/21/2006 at 06:16 PM
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As a Packer fan living in NYC I'm really enjoying watching the Cowboys slowly steal the division. Philly had plenty of chances, by far the most underacheiving team of the decade (unless San Diego continues to dissappoint under Martyball, although they're looking as good as anyone right now). Plus Philly fans are insane, never seen anything like them - they hate anyone that comes into their stadium, but have far more self-loathing due to years of watching their teams implode, underacheive or flounder.

I love watching the Giants ship sink. I've had enough of the Manning family, espeically Eli. Between their coddled QB, their grinch of a coach and the players constantly throwing each other and their coach under a bus, The Giants are just not a very fun team to watch. I'll take the Jets anyday.

As for the Redskins, how many people are even aware they still exist? If I flip past a Skins game with Gibbs on the side I assume it's espn classic.

The Cowboys are just way too fun to watch, and as old as Parcells' schtick can get, it is good to see him winning again. Plus Romo is the most exciting QB this side of Phillip Rivers right now.


I agree with some of what you said, but the Cowboys suck. The only reason they got back in the race is all the injuries. The Giants gave them a whuppin in Dallas when they were healthy. Injuries are a big part of football and I'm not crying about them, but if every team in the division stayed healthy it was obvious who was best. This year's Cowboy team, with all it's talent, might be the worse Parcells team ever. Penalties and mistakes all over the place. One good game doesn't change that. We'll see what happens the rest of the way.

 

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  posted on 11/21/2006 at 07:24 PM
Here's what I think Coughlin should do:

1. Run only hurry-up offense, not some no huddle crap where you run a fake hurry up, but a legitimate hurry-up where you are actually rushing the entire time, like they end every single game with. In case Coughlin hasn't noticed, Eli thrives in this situation.

2. Lets say the Giants get 70 plays per game on offense (that's being generous, but hey, if they're running a complete hurry up, they may very well get 70 plays). Here is how I feel the distribution should be (a little fluctuated if someone is hot or cold) for this current lineup:

25 Carries to Tiki Barber
10 Carries to Brandon Jacobs
12 Passes to Jeremy Shockey
12 Passes to Plaxico Burress
5 Screen Passes to Tiki Barber
6 Passes to "Other" WR (Tim Carter or David Tyree)

3. If they are going to use that strategy, don't throw all 12 balls to Shockey in the 3rd and 4th quarter - on the 1st play of the game, give him the ball. Get him involved early. He has 8 catches in 10 games this year in the first half. All of his 5 touchdowns are in the second half. Give the man the ball as early as possible.

4. Don't only use Brandon Jacobs for short yardage, let him be a change of pace back. Say Tiki runs for two consecutive first downs by slashing through the defense. Give him a short break, hand the ball to Jacobs, and let him barrell over someone.

5. Don't forget what worked earlier in the season with throwing Plex the ball - throw it in his general direction if he is single covered, but about 1 foot too high. The man will make the catch 9 times out of 10, the DB will be way too short to come close to making the play.

6. Utilize the play action when going deep to Carter, Burress, and Shockey. Almost all defenses will respect the play action with the Giants due to the fact they have one of the three best running backs in the league, and Carter will have more time for separation, Burress will have more time to get deeper, and Shockey will have more time to stop complaining (although I do agree with his complaints).

Obviously, this method won't be utilized, but I would love it if it was.

 

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  posted on 11/21/2006 at 07:43 PM
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I agree with some of what you said, but the Cowboys suck. The only reason they got back in the race is all the injuries. The Giants gave them a whuppin in Dallas when they were healthy. Injuries are a big part of football and I'm not crying about them, but if every team in the division stayed healthy it was obvious who was best. This year's Cowboy team, with all it's talent, might be the worse Parcells team ever. Penalties and mistakes all over the place. One good game doesn't change that. We'll see what happens the rest of the way.


We have yet to see what the Dallas team is made of, but they hardly suck. After starting the year with a QB that had his feet in cement, this team looks reinvigorrated with Romo (who only started half way through that "whupping" - we'll see what happens in the rematch). Definately a team that can make some noise in the second half of the season since both teams have remaining schedules of comparable difficulty and the Cowboys were able to knock off an undefeated Colts team, something a Giants team at full power couldn't do in week 1.

 

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  posted on 11/21/2006 at 08:12 PM
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As a Packer fan living in NYC I'm really enjoying watching the Cowboys slowly steal the division. Philly had plenty of chances, by far the most underacheiving team of the decade (unless San Diego continues to dissappoint under Martyball, although they're looking as good as anyone right now). Plus Philly fans are insane, never seen anything like them - they hate anyone that comes into their stadium, but have far more self-loathing due to years of watching their teams implode, underacheive or flounder.

I love watching the Giants ship sink. I've had enough of the Manning family, espeically Eli. Between their coddled QB, their grinch of a coach and the players constantly throwing each other and their coach under a bus, The Giants are just not a very fun team to watch. I'll take the Jets anyday.

As for the Redskins, how many people are even aware they still exist? If I flip past a Skins game with Gibbs on the side I assume it's espn classic.

The Cowboys are just way too fun to watch, and as old as Parcells' schtick can get, it is good to see him winning again. Plus Romo is the most exciting QB this side of Phillip Rivers right now.


I agree with some of what you said, but the Cowboys suck. The only reason they got back in the race is all the injuries. The Giants gave them a whuppin in Dallas when they were healthy. Injuries are a big part of football and I'm not crying about them, but if every team in the division stayed healthy it was obvious who was best. This year's Cowboy team, with all it's talent, might be the worse Parcells team ever. Penalties and mistakes all over the place. One good game doesn't change that. We'll see what happens the rest of the way.


Seems like you got alot of 'bias' against the Pokes there 6t8. It wasn't injuries, there are a lot of 6-4 teams out there. The Pokes have their share of injuries too. Their best defensive player is out. When the Jints beat 'em, Bledsoe was qb, until Romo was inserted in the second half. Hardly a good position to be in for a guy that never played in regulation before. Though I do agree with you about the Pokes being penalized all over the place. Not a sign of good coaching. And if it wasn't for over 150 yards in penalties and a lucky play in DC to end the game, the Jints would be in second place. It ain't just the injuries, Eli can't win at night. He's 5-1 in day games, 1-3 at night. Wonder if he can't handle having the spotllight on him?

'Eff it, just let Shockley coach. He seems to have all the answers.

 

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  posted on 11/22/2006 at 01:27 AM
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I agree with some of what you said, but the Cowboys suck. The only reason they got back in the race is all the injuries. The Giants gave them a whuppin in Dallas when they were healthy. Injuries are a big part of football and I'm not crying about them, but if every team in the division stayed healthy it was obvious who was best. This year's Cowboy team, with all it's talent, might be the worse Parcells team ever. Penalties and mistakes all over the place. One good game doesn't change that. We'll see what happens the rest of the way.


We have yet to see what the Dallas team is made of, but they hardly suck. After starting the year with a QB that had his feet in cement, this team looks reinvigorrated with Romo (who only started half way through that "whupping" - we'll see what happens in the rematch). Definately a team that can make some noise in the second half of the season since both teams have remaining schedules of comparable difficulty and the Cowboys were able to knock off an undefeated Colts team, something a Giants team at full power couldn't do in week 1.


The Cowboys schedule is much easier than the Giants.

 

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  posted on 11/22/2006 at 11:48 AM
I agree with much of what Vinsanity said, although I think Shockey is the most overrated player in the NFL. I sort of hope they get rid of him next year.
 

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  posted on 11/22/2006 at 12:17 PM
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The Cowboys schedule is much easier than the Giants.


Ok, let's break it down.

Giants reamining schedule
@ Tennesse (3-7)
Dallas (6-4)
@ Carolina (6-4)
Philadelphia (5-5)
New Orleans (6-4)
@ Washington (3-7)

combined opponents' record: (29-31)

Cowboys Remaining schedule:
Tampa Bay (3-7)
@ NY Giants (6-4)
New Orleans (6-4)
@ Atlanta (5-5)
Philadelphia (5-5)
Detroit (2-8)

combined opponents' record: (27-33)

Both play each other, New Orleans, Philly. Both play 2 duds (Detroit & Tampa, Tennessee & Washington) and both play a bubble team, Atlanta & Carolina. Only real difference is Dallas has 2 road games while NY has 3, however, that Tampa Bay game is on three days of rest. Either way I'd say that's relatively even.

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  posted on 11/22/2006 at 12:49 PM
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I am a Giants fan and I cannot stand the guy. I think he is a moron. He is supposedly this disciplinarian, yet his team is one of the most penalized in the league. Tiki is done after this year, yet he only gives him the ball 10 times last night. He refuses to use the no huddle offense which does great every time they go to it. Every time his team is penalized he has this look of disbelief on his face, it drives me nuts. They've been completely outcoached several times since he has been at the helm, the most glaring was the game in Seattle this year. His team nor he had a clue. He can't be gone soon enough for me.




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  posted on 11/22/2006 at 01:59 PM
I'm getting tired of waiting around for Eli to mature. The Giants have been frustrating the hell out of me for years.
 

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  posted on 11/24/2006 at 11:00 AM
Romo is a stud. As a long-time Jints fan, I fear him mightily.

However, as a long-time Jints fan, I am used to my team being remarkably frustrating. While after the very long 1970s mess I was blessed to see Parcells and LT and Simms raise the Giants to power, and then have it happen again with Tiki et al, I am also more than used to seeing the offense suck and the defense play amazingly well only to blow the big play. That is the Giants to me. So, seeing Shockey drop passes and Eli fold in the dissolving pocket just solidifies my grip on reality.I would not miss either of those guys if they left. I sure will miss Tiki but I do respect his decision.

 

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  posted on 11/24/2006 at 11:04 AM
as a Bears fan, we expected a much better game from the Giants...I am pretty sure Mr. Brady and Co. will provide us that this week

 

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  posted on 11/24/2006 at 11:14 AM
Comments from an old Giants fan....

Say what you will but Coach Coughlin has mastered the many looks of bewilderment, frustration and general cluelessness on the sidelines..... I thought Fassel was good at this stuff but Coughlin is a hall of famer when it comes to having the "WTF" look spread across his face....

IMHO -- There is so much mediocrity in the NFL, it is a lot less fun to watch than back in the day..... but what the hey do I know...

[Edited on 11/24/2006 by OldABBFan]

 

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  posted on 11/24/2006 at 11:19 AM
Down with Eli....Bring back Scott Brunner!!!
 
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