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  posted on 10/24/2005 at 09:07 PM
Do you think OJ was guilty or innocent?

 

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  posted on 10/24/2005 at 09:12 PM
Not the dreaded question...I certainly think guilty !!! What was that dog's name, that's who really knows!!
 

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  posted on 10/24/2005 at 11:03 PM
OJ got screwed! He got lawyers that proved he was "Not Guilty". That shoulda been it. Somehow though, even though he wasn't guilty, spent time in the clink , and had his life ruined because he was responsible for the crime. BS!

Doesn't matter if he really did it or not, they proved he didn't.

 

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  posted on 10/25/2005 at 02:55 AM
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Doesn't matter if he really did it or not, they proved he didn't.
Yeah, the poor guy. I'm concerned O.J.'s unrelenting determination to find the real killer is going to break him, not just emotionally but financially, what with greens fees these days.

 

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  posted on 10/25/2005 at 08:19 AM
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Not the dreaded question...I certainly think guilty !!! What was that dog's name, that's who really knows!!


Cujo! Let us not forget that dumb blond either - Kato. He spoke about as eloquently as the dog.

Guilty or not guilty? I thought guilty but it was not my place to judge. That was for the jury and now for God to decide. I do have to say that Johnnie Cochran was a frigging genius, however.

 

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  posted on 10/25/2005 at 01:30 PM
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OJ got screwed! He got lawyers that proved he was "Not Guilty". That shoulda been it. Somehow though, even though he wasn't guilty, spent time in the clink , and had his life ruined because he was responsible for the crime. BS!

Doesn't matter if he really did it or not, they proved he didn't.


You are completely wrong. They proved nothing. They simply convinced a jury that the prosecution had failed to prove he was guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. This has nothing to do with the fact that he obviously committed the crimes as a civil jury found shortly thereafter. This was one of the biggest travesties of justice in American history.

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  posted on 10/25/2005 at 01:51 PM
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Not the dreaded question...I certainly think guilty !!! What was that dog's name, that's who really knows!!


Cujo! Let us not forget that dumb blond either - Kato. He spoke about as eloquently as the dog.

Guilty or not guilty? I thought guilty but it was not my place to judge. That was for the jury and now for God to decide. I do have to say that Johnnie Cochran was a frigging genius, however.



Cujo was involved? And he still gives us show updates with his thingy....

 

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  posted on 10/25/2005 at 03:29 PM
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OJ got screwed! He got lawyers that proved he was "Not Guilty". That shoulda been it. Somehow though, even though he wasn't guilty, spent time in the clink , and had his life ruined because he was responsible for the crime. BS!

Doesn't matter if he really did it or not, they proved he didn't.


no, they didn't. They didn't prove that he didn't commit the act, they just proved that there was a doubt. Not guilty doesnt equal innocent.

Did he do it? I dunno...but an innocent man doesn't flee from the cops with a gun to his head.

 

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  posted on 10/25/2005 at 03:36 PM
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but an innocent man doesn't flee from the cops with a gun to his head.


I do it all the time. Keeps 'em on their toes.

 

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  posted on 10/25/2005 at 03:49 PM
O.J was, and is, innocent.

It was a mob hit. The evidence in the case was tainted, and the cops did a bad job investigating it.

The prosecutors help lose the case...giving OJ the glove to try on was stupidity at it's finest.

Interestingly enough, one of the bodies was found in a gravel area, but no traces of gravel were found on Simpson's socks...just blood. No gravel, no berries, no dirt or soil.

Just the blood...it doesn't take a genius to see it was a plant. And if one plant was made, how many more occured?



 

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  posted on 10/25/2005 at 06:17 PM
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O.J was, and is, innocent....................









The jury didn't declare that he was innocent, he was pronounced not guilty.

 

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  posted on 10/25/2005 at 06:45 PM
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OJ got screwed! He got lawyers that proved he was "Not Guilty". That shoulda been it. Somehow though, even though he wasn't guilty, spent time in the clink , and had his life ruined because he was responsible for the crime. BS!

Doesn't matter if he really did it or not, they proved he didn't.


You are completely wrong. They proved nothing. They simply convinced a jury that the prosecution had failed to prove he was guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. This has nothing to do with the fact that he obviously committed the crimes as a civil jury found shortly thereafter. This was one of the biggest travesties of justice in American history.

Doug


Whatever you say, he was not guilty. I believe the civil jury decided he was responsible for the crimes, but not that he committed the crime. Which might lead to the mob hit theory. Perhaps he owed money and put up Nicole as collateral. Then she gets whacked by the mob. Although he didn't kill her, he'd be responsible for her death. Just theory of course.

 

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  posted on 10/25/2005 at 07:20 PM
From the film Barbershop
Eddie (character played by Cedric The Entertainer):

There are three things that black people need to tell the truth about. Number one: Rodney King should've gotten his ass beat for being drunk in a Honda a white part of Los Angeles.

Number two: O.J. did it!

And number three: Rosa Parks didn't do nuthin' but sit her black ass down!



[Edited on 10/26/2005 by Peachstatedawg]

 

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  posted on 10/25/2005 at 07:26 PM
In the American system of justice you are "Not Guilty" of the charges as presented to the jury,that doesn't mean you are innocent, it means the Prosecution did not prove you were Guilty.

Sadly in America today the Law is there to protect the money, so those with money are protected by the Law.

 

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  posted on 10/25/2005 at 08:19 PM
I beleive the character in Barbershop played by Cedric the Entertainer " OJ Did It!"

 

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  posted on 10/25/2005 at 08:26 PM
You can get DNA from dinosaur bones that have been left out in the elements for millions of years. His blood was there. He was there. Hopefully his "Dream Team" who got him aquitted (not found not guilty) can sleep at night thinking that he damn near cut the head off of the mother of his children and killed an innocent bystander.
 

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  posted on 10/25/2005 at 09:27 PM
Why Thank You, ChicagoFan, could not have stated it better myself. I grew up in L.A., O.J. was a huge USC star when I was a kid.

When black women in a Shelter for Battered Women are screaming in delirious joy when the innocent verdict was announced (as was shown all over network TV at the time), what other evidence of reverse prejudice do you need? This was a guy with repeated police interventions for battering his wife, but none of that mattered because one of the white cops on the case was a racist. Mark Fuhrman, I thought, was not the one on trial, but Johnnie Cochran, in all his racist genius, changed all that. And don't forget that one of Cochran's esteemed cohorts on the defense team dropped out of the case when it was clear that Cochran was insistent on using the race card.

The best analysis I'm aware of regarding this case was a book which I read written by Vincent Bugliosi, who prosecuted Charles Manson: "Outrage: The Five Reasons Why O.J. Simpson Got Away with Murder". One of the reasons: Ineptitude by the prosecution team. For example, O.J. had a full facial disguise in the glove box of the escape Bronco, yet it was NEVER introduced as evidence. Talk about premeditation.........WOW.

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  posted on 10/25/2005 at 10:41 PM
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OJ got screwed! He got lawyers that proved he was "Not Guilty". That shoulda been it. Somehow though, even though he wasn't guilty, spent time in the clink , and had his life ruined because he was responsible for the crime. BS!

Doesn't matter if he really did it or not, they proved he didn't.


You are completely wrong. They proved nothing. They simply convinced a jury that the prosecution had failed to prove he was guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. This has nothing to do with the fact that he obviously committed the crimes as a civil jury found shortly thereafter. This was one of the biggest travesties of justice in American history.

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Whatever you say, he was not guilty. I believe the civil jury decided he was responsible for the crimes, but not that he committed the crime. Which might lead to the mob hit theory. Perhaps he owed money and put up Nicole as collateral. Then she gets whacked by the mob. Although he didn't kill her, he'd be responsible for her death. Just theory of course.


No, they decided he committed the crime by nearly severing his wife's head and killing poor Ron Goldman in a jealous rage. The only difference is they used the "preonderance" of evidence standard used in civil cases. The evidence is and was overwhelming. It was not a mob hit. He was acquitted because an imbecile of a judge allowed a circus of a defense team to turn utter nonsense into believable fact and because the prosecution was the worst I have ever seen anywhere. Notice I did not blame the black jury. If you read one book on this case read "Outrage" by Helter Skelter author Vincent Bugliosi who got Charles Manson sentenced to death on the strength of a single letter. Bugliosi says he could have convicted Simpson just by showing the Bronco chase video, evidence the prosecution inexplicably failed to even bring before the jury. They were too busy impuging the integrity of their own witnesses. This was one of the worst travesties in American jurisprudence.

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  posted on 10/26/2005 at 09:15 AM
It was not and is not for me to decide, but my gut told me OJ was guilty. Yeah, his DNA was present; he'd had a history of beating his wife; he was the "jealous type"; he'd been one of the most important football stars of the 20th century - operative word here is "was". There was so much evidence against him, yet out justice system let him go. He's not the only one that's ever slipped through and there have been plenty who haven't been guilty who have been hung, shot, fried, gassed or lethal injectioned. Just goes too prove, our justice system is imperfect, like ourselves.
I will never forget, however, being the lucky photo editor that I am/was, to see the photos of Nicole after the fact. I think that only uncontrollabe anger could precipitate that kind of violence perpetrated on a beautiful, young woman.

 

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  posted on 10/26/2005 at 09:21 AM
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Do you think OJ was guilty or innocent?


Did ya see the Frontline program about this.?


I think he did it. I also think the jury did it's job because
the police didn't. Mishandled the DNA evidence.

But this is the kicker that freed the juice IMO

F. Lee Bailey: Did you plant evidence?
Marc Furman: I exercise my fifth amendment rights.

How can any jury convict with that kind of testimony
from investigating detectives?

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You can get DNA from dinosaur bones that have been left out in the elements for millions of years. His blood was there. He was there. Hopefully his "Dream Team" who got him aquitted (not found not guilty) can sleep at night thinking that he damn near cut the head off of the mother of his children and killed an innocent bystander.


The job of a defense attorney is to provide effective defense for clients. they did their job.
Even monsters deserve effective representation in our legal system. If they can't sleep at night
they are in the wrong business.

the cops and evidence technicians didn't do there job correctly.

who should be losing sleep?

In the recent frontline program both Bailey and Dershowitz talk about the hate mail
they recieved from other Attorneys that should have known the role of
a defense attorney.

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  posted on 10/26/2005 at 11:22 AM
Great interview with Dershowitz about the case

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/oj/interviews/dershowitz.html

 

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  posted on 10/27/2005 at 09:52 AM
I'm convinced he was guilty, or at least deeply involved, based on the DNA evidence.

I was on a jury for a rape trial about 12 years ago. It was the first time that a new Minnesota law allowed the prosecution to introduce DNA into the proceedings. It had been done before, but only by mutual agreement.

I listened to between two and three days' worth of expert testimony regarding the accuracy of DNA. If the testing is done properly, it's essentially unarguable. In the particular case I was part of, the odds that there would be anyone else on the face of the earth whose DNA matched that of the accused was literally one in something like 66 billion.

Assuming the DNA was handled properly (and none of us can know that for certain, pro or con), I'm convinced that OJ was the murderer, or an accomplice.

"Not guilty" is not the same as innocent. If the prosecution had not had Mark Fuhrman (sp?), a serious liability, justice might have been served. Regardless of how OJ did with this judge, there's another Judge who can't be fooled.

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