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  posted on 10/9/2005 at 05:43 PM
Being that today is what would have been (RIP) John Lennon's 65th Birthday ( ), I have been listening to every possibility of his and Beatles works. It's amazing how his and their music has stood the test of time. As does The Allman Brothers band. When The White Album first came out, and we were graced with George's: WMGGW, nobody knew it was Clapton, as back then, you couldn't give props to other artists recording for other record labels. (red tape; suits) Till this day there are still younger generations who think that Layla's ending is EC. (and that upsets me) Just now after hearing WMGGW, my favorite (if you could really pick just one), it occured to me that when EC was asked by GH to give the "bluesy guitar edge" to his first ever masterpiece for the album, and knowing that Duane Allman was doing studio contributions for various known artists around that same era (1966, 67), and asked eventually by EC to accompany "Derek and The Dominos", my thought is , IMHO, Duane back then was even better then EC at that time and if only, he was asked to play on WMGGW. How SWEET it would be!!!! In other words as good as EC was then, Duane was better IMHO.

 

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  posted on 10/9/2005 at 06:25 PM
I won't get into the Duane vs. EC debate, they were both brilliant guitarists. So was George. What disturbs me greatly is how Duane's contribution to the world in which we live is so commonly dismissed. For whatever reason. Nothing fair about it.

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  posted on 10/9/2005 at 06:56 PM
Harrison returned the favor. George played on "Badge" with Clapton/Cream. I believe he cowrote the song as well. His name was El Mysterio or something like that.
 

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  posted on 10/9/2005 at 07:11 PM
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  posted on 10/9/2005 at 07:16 PM
Harrison returned the favor? Listen to the guitar work on Badge, and listen to the guitar work on LAYLA. A song EC wrote about GH's wife. NOTHING compares to the playing of that song. NOTHING. It should be put in a capsule and guarded with walls and guns and dogs!!! It should never be played by anyone. Recently EC on tour "grew up" and stopped Layla before Duane's soulful ending...knowing nobody could play it the way it was felt originally. "Badge" has the 'Beatle' esque signature Beatle trademark, not a lead melody, but a fill in. My favorite EC song is "Badge". So, who do I like..........Duane played for EVERYBODY and you knew it was great and a cut above. Fillmore's "Whipping Post" excells any guitar solo from anyone in history from our era, yet my favorite is The Fieldhouse or Stonybrook version. My point on John Lennon's Birthday is, Duane Allman is the BEST guitarist ever. I would like to hear WMGGW by Duane, knowing right now that it would be better than EC's. Forgive me, I know music.

 

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  posted on 10/9/2005 at 07:32 PM
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I won't get into the Duane vs. EC debate, they were both brilliant guitarists. So was George. What disturbs me greatly is how Duane's contribution to the world in which we live is so commonly dismissed. For whatever reason. Nothing fair about it.

[Edited on 10/9/2005 by Buppalo]

Clapton, Hendrix, Harrison...they all sang a great deal more than Duane ever did, and wrote songs too.Maybe it gave them a higher profile with the public. I don't think anybody who really knows great guitar playing would slight Duane. My $.02

 

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  posted on 10/9/2005 at 07:34 PM
BINGO!!! You just "got It"!!! Duane did not sing, and neither does Jimmy Page!!!

 

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  posted on 10/9/2005 at 07:38 PM
I've seen Clapton a few times (ho hum) (sorry Claptonites)
and I couldn't believe he didn't have an image of Duane on the screen or SOMETHING as a tribute while he played Layla.

 

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  posted on 10/9/2005 at 07:47 PM
You couldn't believe it because you are not deeply into Clapton. He doesn't have Hendrix or SRV on the screen either. And SRV died on his tour. He has safely reverted to replicatng BB King and Robert Randolph. He was the LEAD guitar on WMGGW ( I guess you can once again say The Beatles started that trend of two leads), hence Duane starting a band with that element.

 

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  posted on 10/9/2005 at 09:01 PM
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Harrison returned the favor? Listen to the guitar work on Badge, and listen to the guitar work on LAYLA. A song EC wrote about GH's wife. NOTHING compares to the playing of that song. NOTHING. It should be put in a capsule and guarded with walls and guns and dogs!!! It should never be played by anyone. Recently EC on tour "grew up" and stopped Layla before Duane's soulful ending...knowing nobody could play it the way it was felt originally. "Badge" has the 'Beatle' esque signature Beatle trademark, not a lead melody, but a fill in. My favorite EC song is "Badge". So, who do I like..........Duane played for EVERYBODY and you knew it was great and a cut above. Fillmore's "Whipping Post" excells any guitar solo from anyone in history from our era, yet my favorite is The Fieldhouse or Stonybrook version. My point on John Lennon's Birthday is, Duane Allman is the BEST guitarist ever. I would like to hear WMGGW by Duane, knowing right now that it would be better than EC's. Forgive me, I know music.


George Harrison was a fine guitarist and a great musician but to even mention him in the same sentence with Duane Allman is just insane. I love Cream and I love Badge but Badge is to Layla as Charlie Parker is to Kenny G.

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  posted on 10/9/2005 at 09:23 PM
Go get your shinebox!

 

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  posted on 10/9/2005 at 09:30 PM
While Duane's contributions may not always be understood by the "great unwashed", he is highly revered by guitarists around the world, some of whom may also be unwashed.

Let's face it, he didn't get as much time on this planet to make his mark yet here we are some 30 plus years later talking about him and enjoying his music.

 

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  posted on 10/9/2005 at 09:47 PM
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While Duane's contributions may not always be understood by the "great unwashed", he is highly revered by guitarists around the world, some of whom may also be unwashed.

Let's face it, he didn't get as much time on this planet to make his mark yet here we are some 30 plus years later talking about him and enjoying his music.
Duane's contributions ARE understood by the greats. Gregg Allman is a prime example of that. That is my POINT. Gregg Allman is underrated in the sense he is living Duane's legacy. Not too many people alive today can do that. Sir paul is doing the same. My point is, EC asked Duane aboard to play on Layla, a song about the burning love about his best friend's wife. George Harrison's wife Patti, Eric Clapton's Lover, Duane Allman playing slide on his classic Gibson. Duane did not love Patti, he loved playing slide. EC's playing does not ever measure up to a true slide player, without emotion of the "subject". My thread is about "if Duane could have played lead on "While My Guitar Gently Weeps"...there's your sentence Doug.

 

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  posted on 10/9/2005 at 10:05 PM
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. Forgive me, I know music


And I don't?

Clapton played the best possible solo on WMGGW, and I doubt it could have been topped by anyone when it was recorded in 1968.

Clapton's bending and phrasing are top notch, and while this an ABB board, anyone who knows music knows that he influenced Duane long before they met.


WMGGW was recorded in 1968, and I'm sorry but Duane wasn't at the same level as Eric at that time. Despite the studio sessions, Duane didn't have the time on stage that Clapton had with the Yardbirds, the Bluesbreakers and Cream. To assume that Duane was better at that time is absurd, and it ignores the idea of guitarist's evolving.

So yes, the constant performing and practising with the Allman's soon honed Duane's talent to Clapton's level and beyond. But in 1968, it's highly unlikely Duane could have achieved what Eric did.

If you believe that, then you've not really understood the impact Clapton had in 1966 and why, and you're obviously too young to have been there. Duane in 1968 could not have stepped into that three-piece at the same level as Clapton, sorry but it's only reality of which I speak. Granted a few weeks of practise might have been all he needed to catch Eric, but he wasn't ready for it...a simple look at the facts of his life bear witness to this.

I'm a big fan of rock history and while Duane's everything, I think the reality of his talent makes all well meaning hyperbole unneccessary.




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  posted on 10/9/2005 at 10:10 PM
You lost me at "and I don't"? So let me say please, NOBODY could play like Duane!!! "Don't Ask Me Why"

 

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  posted on 10/9/2005 at 10:13 PM
When you state your opinion telling us that "sorry, I know music", it suggests that anyone who disagrees doesn't...and you are saying I lost you in responding to that?



I appreciate your enthusiasm for Duane...I just prefer mine with a dose of reality.

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  posted on 10/9/2005 at 10:17 PM
That is not what I am saying. I KNOW music.

 

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  posted on 10/9/2005 at 10:20 PM
EC is a pretty acurate player,never seems to miss a note, but he is almost computer programmed like, I actually don't feel any emmotion or soul in his chops. SRV and DA were definately soulful quintessential players.

 

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  posted on 10/9/2005 at 10:28 PM
Whoever said "hindsight" is 20/20 never met Duane Allman fans....


Muzic10, you gave me the best laughs of the day, thanks for that.


And yes, you do know music...I guess all these years I wuz jus' listenin' to the wind...

 

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When you state your opinion telling us that "sorry, I know music", it suggests that anyone who disagrees doesn't...and you are saying I lost you in responding to that?



I appreciate your enthusiasm for Duane...I just prefer mine with a dose of reality.

[Edited on 10/10/2005 by musicalbeds]
I don't need your appreciation for appreciating me stating the best guitarist was The Best Guitarist. Turn off the computer, go to your stereo and play :Clapton, Duane, Page, Hendrix, BeaTles. I want to hear YOUR opinion of the best.

 

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"The best"....what a terrible way to categorise something. Every player brings different things to the table. It's comparing apples to Allmans.

I don't disagree with listing Duane number two behind Hendrix in the "rock" category, but then somedays I think SRV should be number two, Duane number one and Hendrix third.

But...you are talkin' bout Duane in 1968, and I disagree that he could have done better than Clapton's solo on WMGGW.

 

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While Duane's contributions may not always be understood by the "great unwashed", he is highly revered by guitarists around the world, some of whom may also be unwashed.

Let's face it, he didn't get as much time on this planet to make his mark yet here we are some 30 plus years later talking about him and enjoying his music.
Duane's contributions ARE understood by the greats. Gregg Allman is a prime example of that. That is my POINT. Gregg Allman is underrated in the sense he is living Duane's legacy. Not too many people alive today can do that. Sir paul is doing the same. My point is, EC asked Duane aboard to play on Layla, a song about the burning love about his best friend's wife. George Harrison's wife Patti, Eric Clapton's Lover, Duane Allman playing slide on his classic Gibson. Duane did not love Patti, he loved playing slide. EC's playing does not ever measure up to a true slide player, without emotion of the "subject". My thread is about "if Duane could have played lead on "While My Guitar Gently Weeps"...there's your sentence Doug.


And what a sentence! I stand corrected

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  posted on 10/9/2005 at 10:46 PM
Luv ya Bud!!!

 

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  posted on 10/9/2005 at 10:49 PM
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"The best"....what a terrible way to categorise something. Every player brings different things to the table. It's comparing apples to Allmans.

I don't disagree with listing Duane number two behind Hendrix in the "rock" category, but then somedays I think SRV should be number two, Duane number one and Hendrix third.

But...you are talkin' bout Duane in 1968, and I disagree that he could have done better than Clapton's solo on WMGGW.


"The best".........hey MB, I think it's cruel to have competitons. However, that is what the "SuperBowl and World Series is about!

 

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  posted on 10/9/2005 at 10:52 PM
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And I don't?

Clapton played the best possible solo on WMGGW, and I doubt it could have been topped by anyone when it was recorded in 1968.

Clapton's bending and phrasing are top notch, and while this an ABB board, anyone who knows music knows that he influenced Duane long before they met.

Too many people are judging Clapton not on his groundbreaking work but on his more recent work which does not measure up. Even Derek and the Dominos, from the pure guitar standpoint did not contain Clapton's best work (although it contained a good deal of Duane's) Clapton made his reputation in the Yardbirds and John Mayall's Bluesbreakers. He continued to soar as the unique and original guitarist for Cream, particularly in their live shows. After Cream and Blind Faith Clapton had to look deep into himself to find out what he really wanted to do and be. He toured with Delaney andBonnie and it is Delaney who convinced him that he could be a front man for his own material. He then released his first solo album. Clapton was supposedly so moved by the Band's Music From Big Pink that he reportedly considered trying to join the Band. He thought that he really wanted to do artistic pop rock. After that, he put together D and the D's with backup musicians from Delaney and Bonnie. The pining love for Pattie Harrison (which was unrequitted at that point) and the presence of Duane Allman drove Eric to enormous heights on that album. After that, he went into a two year funk of drug and alcohol abuse and emerged essentially as an uptempo singer songwriter. He had some good tracks but it is like two careers and they are not comparable. When Clapton is revered as a guitarist it is almost uniformly for his work pre-1971.

Doug



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