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  posted on 9/26/2005 at 04:42 PM
Thanks for the article CEEJ. I think we've cast ourselves into an interesting delimma over the years, and I don't see how we are going to vote ourselves out of it. If one is to run for political office these days, one must have the backing of corporate industry in order to compete in politics. Before we even see somebody to vote for, they are in somebody's pocket, no matter what comes out of their mouths. Sure don't see any poor folks running for office. I think most people see that we have the resources to virtually eliminate poverty and level the playing field, but it would require a basic redistribution of the wealth, and the wealthy fragment of society that control so much of the nation's resources aren't about to let that happen. Without some sort of huge crisis that reconfigures our government and the military-industrial complex I don't see how working politically is actually going to change the situation. 37 million people is alot of people living below the poverty line. Get them all voting together and maybe there is a shot at it. Wonder what would happen if they armed themselves?
 

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  posted on 9/26/2005 at 10:53 PM
Good points, Doug. We have the resources to make sure that every man, woman, and child in this country had the basic necessities, a decent, secure place to live, healthy food and water, and clothes to wear. And no one would have to do without anything to make it happen. We don't care, and that's the simple, cold truth.

And you're right about it taking something to rock this country's world to start the change. I think Katrina might be the start of some serious change in this country. The images we all saw on TV will never go away.

 

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  posted on 9/27/2005 at 09:14 AM
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Thanks for the article CEEJ. I think we've cast ourselves into an interesting delimma over the years, and I don't see how we are going to vote ourselves out of it. If one is to run for political office these days, one must have the backing of corporate industry in order to compete in politics. Before we even see somebody to vote for, they are in somebody's pocket, no matter what comes out of their mouths. Sure don't see any poor folks running for office. I think most people see that we have the resources to virtually eliminate poverty and level the playing field, but it would require a basic redistribution of the wealth, and the wealthy fragment of society that control so much of the nation's resources aren't about to let that happen. Without some sort of huge crisis that reconfigures our government and the military-industrial complex I don't see how working politically is actually going to change the situation. 37 million people is alot of people living below the poverty line. Get them all voting together and maybe there is a shot at it. Wonder what would happen if they armed themselves?


Doug -

Thanks for the kind words. I agree with much of what you say. In response to your concluding question, I don't think violence and arms are the answer. This world has been drinking of that poison far too long, as it is.

I guess it could be called idealistic, but my vision is for a world where everyone has enough to live and thrive without forced redistribution. A world where the curse of the dead-end pursuit of material wealth is considered an absurd, outdated notion, and the focus becomes obtaining those things of the soul and spirit, which are limitless.

Hope is powerful beyond our comprehension. A quote from my favorite flick seems appropos; "hope is a good thing, Red, maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies" (Andy to Red. Shawshank Redemption. 1994).

Peace.

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  posted on 9/27/2005 at 09:57 AM
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Get them all voting together and maybe there is a shot at it. Wonder what would happen if they armed themselves?


I think we saw this mentality evident in NO after Katrina....people toting guns and shooting each other to protect their stuff or themselves, or to steal, some for greed, some for survival when they felt there was no help on the way, etc.


It amazes me how people discount the idea that everyone should have the basics to live in our country. Piss on the poor is the prevailing attitude. It really disheartens me to know that a huge majority of people feel this way about their fellow human beings. I'm afraid we are going to have to experience something even more disurptive (like you see in the disaster or alien invasion movies ) for people to truly understand what is important in this life we have been given.

 

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  posted on 9/27/2005 at 10:42 AM
I really don't believe violence is the answer either, just more of the same. My point is that it will take something very major and radical to shake loose the prevailing views and allow the opportunity for change to occur. And I love that line from Shawshank. We can always hope.
 

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  posted on 9/27/2005 at 10:54 AM
Sue, my ex-wife's grandmother was talking to me about the Depression, and she said that it was bad, but not that bad, because nobody had anything. You didn't feel bad about not having anything, because no one else had anything, either. So everyone pitched in with what little they had and helped each other out, to make sure everyone had something.

It might take some more "disasters" to put us in that place again, to make this SUV-driving, stock market-watching, junk-food-eating country wake up and look around at how other people are living.

 

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  posted on 9/27/2005 at 10:59 AM
Yea, I feel that it's part of the big plan...to knock people down to an equal level. And in a way, I hope I live to see that happen. I'm not wishing anything bad upon humanity, but I'd like to see the world (or the US) become a better society of decent caring people in my lifetime...I will feel like my positive vibes were doing some good, which I know they are, but It would be cool to see it together with my kids and their kids, etc.

 

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