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  posted on 8/30/2005 at 02:16 AM
On another thread someone said this...

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"Sounds like it's pretty much over."


Regarding the Grateful Dead giving it up for good.

Can anyone tell me whats going on or direct me to a thread somewhere?

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  posted on 8/30/2005 at 05:01 AM
I think the fact that this is thier 40th anniversary and they didnt tour speaks volumes.

 

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  posted on 8/30/2005 at 06:51 AM
not really. considering they never really publicly celebrated any anniversaries before, I'm sure its not a big deal that they didn't celebrate this time...especially since they havent been a band for a decade.

THe rumors are that Bobby and Phil aren't pleased with eachother again...and there are too many rumors as to WHY, that nothing is really at the forefront.

 

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  posted on 8/30/2005 at 07:33 AM
Grateful Dead has been gone for 10 years. That's it. Even if they were touring this year it wouldn't be Grateful Dead.

The current combinations are all just the aftermath. And "The Dead" only toured for a couple of summers. Phil & Friends recently did a couple shows, and Ratdog has certainly been touring throughout the year (except a break to deal with Bobby's health issues). Mickey Hart also recently did some dates. The musicians are around, there just wasn't a big summer tour this year at all.

I miss the music and the whole deadhead scene dearly.

But personally, I think they've earned the right to do whatever they damn well please.

 

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  posted on 8/30/2005 at 07:52 AM
I agree with Merlin - the Grateful Dead ended when Garcia died... I've enjoyed their later reincarnations but they're not getting any younger and entitled to some r&r time and just play whenever they feel like not because they have to. Rumors have always abounded the band....

 

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  posted on 8/30/2005 at 08:15 AM
This story from England reminds me of talk of the death of the Dead:

Mourners the merrier {pranksters} after spotting dead man in town

Mon Aug 29, 8:21 PM ET
LONDON (AFP) - Mourners who paid their last respects to a British war veteran were stunned to see him strolling through the town shortly after the funeral, newspapers said.

Friends of the former bus driver {ha: another Merry Prankster link} travelled from far and wide to attend the cremation after reading the death notice of a Frank Hughes in a local newspaper. In a bizzare {sp!} mix-up, the dead man being cremated had the same name and age and lived in the same northeast English town of Darlington as the mourners' beloved Frank.

Pals of the 80-year-old World War II veteran even mingled with relatives {this family has communication issues} after paying their respects at the service.

No wonder they were astonished to see him wandering about the town later on.

Hughes said in The Sun newspaper: "One of them came flying across to me, saying, 'Frank, Frank, Frank, I can't believe it!' He said, 'I'm going to have to tell my wife straight away; she's been absolutely devastated.'

"Now I'm getting sick of people stopping me and telling me that I'm still alive."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20050830/od_afp/britainoffbeatdeath_05083000212 4

 

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  posted on 8/30/2005 at 08:19 AM
Listening to Disc One Europe 72 as I read this thread, He's Gone is playing, spooky!

 

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  posted on 8/30/2005 at 08:36 AM
The "Grateful" Dead has been gone since Jerry passed...

Now...

Whatever they decide is okay with me. As Rob said they have earned it. Anyway, we will never have a shortage of good Dead music through Bob Weir and Ratdog who are very very good and of course different incarnations of Phil and Friends. Phil never fails to come up with something interesting and fresh. WE will always get Bruce Hornsby in the mix somewhere as well - he is now playing some dates with Bobby. WE will have festivals now and then celebrating the music too...

...By the lack of a "Dead" tour, it will keep all the Philzone kiddie critics - most who have never even seen Jerry play - quiet for a while.



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  posted on 8/30/2005 at 11:05 AM
I agree, Grateful Dead died with Jerry. I miss him a lot.

The spirit still lives on though....and it won't die.

It's a weird for me to say, but Jerry's death left a door open for my life to completely change.

GD was scheduled to play Toronto's sky dome on the 7,8 and 9th of October 1995. Obviously the shows were cancelled when Jerry died.

Instead, on Oct 7 1995 I went to a bar, made eyecontact with a babe across the room....and within two years we were married; we just celebrated our 8 year anniversary.

She's not a Deadhead...I'd have never met her if Jerry lived.

Life's kind of strange that way, isn't it?

 

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  posted on 8/30/2005 at 11:14 AM
That's like saying The Allman Brothers are Dead without Duane or Berry... which can raise many discussions, but I don't think one member was the Grateful Dead.

[Edited on 8/30/2005 by ABBstillrockin04]

 

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  posted on 8/30/2005 at 11:21 AM
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That's like saying The Allman Brothers are Dead without Duane or Berry... which can raise many discussions, but I don't think one member was the Grateful Dead.

[Edited on 8/30/2005 by ABBstillrockin04]


no, its really not the same at all. Yes, Duane and Berry were integral to the sound of the Brothers...but when Jerry passed, the Dead lost their frontman, principal songwriter, lead guitarist, and the public face of their band.

 

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  posted on 8/30/2005 at 11:25 AM
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That's like saying The Allman Brothers are Dead without Duane or Berry... which can raise many discussions, but I don't think one member was the Grateful Dead.

[Edited on 8/30/2005 by ABBstillrockin04]


no, its really not the same at all. Yes, Duane and Berry were integral to the sound of the Brothers...but when Jerry passed, the Dead lost their frontman, principal songwriter, lead guitarist, and the public face of their band.


And?

 

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  posted on 8/30/2005 at 12:40 PM
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That's like saying The Allman Brothers are Dead without Duane or Berry... which can raise many discussions, but I don't think one member was the Grateful Dead.

[Edited on 8/30/2005 by ABBstillrockin04]


no, its really not the same at all. Yes, Duane and Berry were integral to the sound of the Brothers...but when Jerry passed, the Dead lost their frontman, principal songwriter, lead guitarist, and the public face of their band.


And?


and I dont think that its like saying the Brothers are done without Duane and/or Berry. Without Jerry, you've got no lead guitar, no real vocalist, and nobody to write the music.

When Duane and Berry died, the sound of the band changed, for sure...but they had a competent lead guitarist in Dickey, plus a songwriter and vocalist in Gregg.

As much as the Grateful Dead wants to think that Jerry wasn't the Grateful Dead, he was more of it than any other member, hence the reason why they broke up after he died....hence the reason it took both Jimmy and Warren to replace his guitar playing, and Rob to replace the singing that Warren didn't do. The Brothers got a new bass player, and went back out, not needing to replace anything...well, they added Chuck, but that wasn't really replacing anything, it was just adding.

 

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  posted on 8/30/2005 at 01:24 PM
Many guitarists, IMO could have taken Jerry's place.. not as a vocalist, but as fine guitar player.. Steve Kimock, Jimmy Herring are few that come to mind.

 

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  posted on 8/30/2005 at 01:57 PM
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Many guitarists, IMO could have taken Jerry's place.. not as a vocalist, but as fine guitar player.. Steve Kimock, Jimmy Herring are few that come to mind.


true...two great guitarists they are...but Kimock and Jimmy had their turn in the Jerry guitarist role alongside Phil, plus Kimock in TOO...and it wasnt quite there. There's no questioning their abilities...but it just wasnt quite there.

 

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  posted on 8/30/2005 at 04:01 PM
Come on, There is no GD without Jerry, don't know how you can argue the point. There was TOO and The Dead, and Kimmock and Herring are great players no doubt about it. But they were in bands that were playing Jerry's tunes, so its not the same. Did you ever see the GD with Jerry? Thats the real deal.

Now for the surviving members getting together and making music thats all fine and dandy but its not quite the same thing as the good old Grateful Dead. Gone are the days....

 

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  posted on 8/30/2005 at 04:22 PM
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Many guitarists, IMO could have taken Jerry's place.. not as a vocalist, but as fine guitar player.. Steve Kimock, Jimmy Herring are few that come to mind.

Sorry Mikey, Can't agree with you there at all buddy. You are very very young and never got a chance to see Jerry play even once and you can not make that assumption. NO one, but no one could replace him. Its not just a matter of technical ability, it goes waaaay beyond that. Jerry had a special gift that went beyond traditional guitar playing. It's a combination of tone, phrasing, choice of notes, a unique stlyle - he always knew what to play and what not to play a combination of beauty and power, intensity and subtleties. Even more than that though, it is a presence and ability to channel purity and true emotion from an instrument. That can NOT ever be replaced and it is something that needs to be heard live live to gain a true appreciation of what I'm talking about. Jerrry had the ability to have 50,000 people in the palm of his hand just hanging on every note he plays. It is not just coincidence that he could do that - it is NOT an accident that he turned on thousands and thousands of people that way - by drawing them in. Jimmy Herring and Steve Kimock - two of my all time faves - might be better technical players but they would be the first ones to tell you they come from a different place than Jerry did. Jerry is a true original - there really are not many of those around...People may try to imitate him but they will never duplicate him...It just can't be done.





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  posted on 8/30/2005 at 04:38 PM
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Grateful Dead has been gone for 10 years. That's it. Even if they were touring this year it wouldn't be Grateful Dead.


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That's like saying The Allman Brothers are Dead without Duane or Berry... which can raise many discussions, but I don't think one member was the Grateful Dead.

[Edited on 8/30/2005 by ABBstillrockin04]


no, its really not the same at all. Yes, Duane and Berry were integral to the sound of the Brothers...but when Jerry passed, the Dead lost their frontman, principal songwriter, lead guitarist, and the public face of their band.


And?


and I dont think that its like saying the Brothers are done without Duane and/or Berry. Without Jerry, you've got no lead guitar, no real vocalist, and nobody to write the music.

When Duane and Berry died, the sound of the band changed, for sure...but they had a competent lead guitarist in Dickey, plus a songwriter and vocalist in Gregg.

As much as the Grateful Dead wants to think that Jerry wasn't the Grateful Dead, he was more of it than any other member, hence the reason why they broke up after he died....hence the reason it took both Jimmy and Warren to replace his guitar playing, and Rob to replace the singing that Warren didn't do. The Brothers got a new bass player, and went back out, not needing to replace anything...well, they added Chuck, but that wasn't really replacing anything, it was just adding.


arguing this with mikey is about like arguing shades of color with a blind man... fruitless, pointless, and kinda aggravating.

#1 he was only 6 or 7 when Jerry died
#2 he is not a fan of the band, so in a sense is clueless
#3 he doesn't listen to Jerry play, otherwise he would realize there is no"replacement"
#4 he refuses to admit he is wrong, about anything (remember high school when you knew it all)
#5 he probably doesn't care that Bobby, Phil, Mickey, & Billy made the decision 10 years ago to end it.

Duane is to Pigpen as Jerry is to ???


??? = Greg ?

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  posted on 8/30/2005 at 05:24 PM
Nevermind. I guess my opinion is **** in this thread. Sorry I wasted my time. There's no I in team at all.

 

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That's like saying The Allman Brothers are Dead without Duane or Berry... which can raise many discussions, but I don't think one member was the Grateful Dead.

[Edited on 8/30/2005 by ABBstillrockin04]


no, its really not the same at all. Yes, Duane and Berry were integral to the sound of the Brothers...but when Jerry passed, the Dead lost their frontman, principal songwriter, lead guitarist, and the public face of their band.


And?


and I dont think that its like saying the Brothers are done without Duane and/or Berry. Without Jerry, you've got no lead guitar, no real vocalist, and nobody to write the music.

When Duane and Berry died, the sound of the band changed, for sure...but they had a competent lead guitarist in Dickey, plus a songwriter and vocalist in Gregg.

As much as the Grateful Dead wants to think that Jerry wasn't the Grateful Dead, he was more of it than any other member, hence the reason why they broke up after he died....hence the reason it took both Jimmy and Warren to replace his guitar playing, and Rob to replace the singing that Warren didn't do. The Brothers got a new bass player, and went back out, not needing to replace anything...well, they added Chuck, but that wasn't really replacing anything, it was just adding.


arguing this with mikey is about like arguing shades of color with a blind man... fruitless, pointless, and kinda aggravating.

#1 he was only 6 or 7 when Jerry died
#2 he is not a fan of the band, so in a sense is clueless
#3 he doesn't listen to Jerry play, otherwise he would realize there is no"replacement"
#4 he refuses to admit he is wrong, about anything (remember high school when you knew it all)
#5 he probably doesn't care that Bobby, Phil, Mickey, & Billy made the decision 10 years ago to end it.

Duane is to Pigpen as Jerry is to ???


??? = Greg ?

Different times in different spaces





Now where did you get the assumption I don't listen to Grateful Dead? I don't listen to them like I do other bands, but I do enjoy the many shows I have collected. How do I refuse to admit I'm wrong? I'm stating my opinion. Last I checked there wasn't a right or wrong answer to an opinion.

 

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  posted on 8/30/2005 at 05:31 PM
The first sentence of Merlin28's post says it all.

 

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  posted on 8/30/2005 at 05:32 PM
I like the good comments everyone has posted about Jerry and would have to agree. The first time I saw Jerry and the band was at Kennedy Stadium in D.C. in the early '70's, and that was with the Brothers - what a day that was!

It was pretty easy to get hooked on the Dead's music and was lucky enough to see Jerry many times later with the Dead & with his own (soul) band. He was one of a kind with a wonderful style on lead. His interpretations of songs were unique.

Have enjoyed Phil & Friends a lot over the more recent years. Having Jimmy Herring is certainly a plus in that band. Also have seen Ratdog a few times and the shows were good. If I had to choose between the two, I'd pick Phil's band. Both bands are good - it's more a question of taste or appeal.

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That's like saying The Allman Brothers are Dead without Duane or Berry... which can raise many discussions, but I don't think one member was the Grateful Dead.

[Edited on 8/30/2005 by ABBstillrockin04]


'Bout frikkin' time! I've been saying this since I've been comming to this forum and listening to the HUGE doublestandard afforded to the current version of the band that this site is dedicated to, whatever the name .

 

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  posted on 8/30/2005 at 05:34 PM
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I like the good comments everyone has posted about Jerry and would have to agree. The first time I saw Jerry and the band was at Kennedy Stadium in D.C. in the early '70's, and that was with the Brothers - what a day that was!

It was pretty easy to get hooked on the Dead's music and was lucky enough to see Jerry many times later with the Dead & with his own (soul) band. He was one of a kind with a wonderful style on lead. His interpretations of songs were unique.

Have enjoyed Phil & Friends a lot over the more recent years. Having Jimmy Herring is certainly a plus in that band. Also have seen Ratdog a few times and the shows were good. If I had to choose between the two, I'd pick Phil's band. Both bands are good - it's more a question of taste or appeal.

But in the end, Jerry lives on.


Havent seen Phil and Friends. But I have seen plenty of Ratdog shows lately, great shows. Having a sax player is a good Idea.

 

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