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  posted on 3/25/2014 at 09:51 AM
It doesn't mean much in the wake of that beautiful young lady losing her life, but I'm willing to bet this movie never gets finished because the producers are going to get slammed with lawsuits over this....


Headline: WILLIAM HURT EMAILED FRIEND ABOUT SAFETY CONCERNS ON ALLMAN BROTHERS BIOPIC SET

WENN Entertainment News Wire Service

Movie star WILLIAM HURT raised concerns about the dangers of filming on train tracks days before a young camera assistant was killed on the set of stalled ALLMAN BROTHERS biopic MIDNIGHT RIDER.

In an email sent to a friend, Hurt, who is set to play Gregg Allman in the film, wrote he had been assured that it was safe to film on the Doctortown Railroad Trestle in Wayne County, Georgia.

But he asked "how long the crew had to get off if by some impossible chance another train came," and was told they had 60 seconds.

In the note, obtained by the Los Angeles Times, the actor added, "I said, 'Sixty seconds is not enough time to get us off this bridge'. There was a communal pause. No one backed me up. Then, we... just went ahead. I took off my shoes, got on the heavy, metal hospital bed and began preparing."

However, when a train did appear, Hurt recalls, "We didn't have 60 seconds. We had less than 30."

Sarah Jones, 27, was hit by the train and killed and six other crew members were injured.

The Wayne County Sheriff's Office told the Times that Midnight Rider's producers did not have permission to film on the railway trestle, adding there was no railroad representative on the set.
The incident is still under investigation and production has since been suspended.


 
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  posted on 3/25/2014 at 10:10 AM
As a film/video type I have followed this story since before it was a story.

What went down was a horrible, bad thing which I am sure is weighing heavy on the minds and psyches of everybody involved. I'm not one to read between the lines, but I wonder if the event and the aftermath have been factors in Gregg's health and well being.

Continued condolences to Sarah's family, loved ones, those injured physically and those who feel responsibility or remorse - real or imagined. May all find peace soon.

 

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  posted on 3/25/2014 at 11:04 AM
Do you think Hurt or any other A-leevel actor will ever step foot on the set again? I dont see it happening.

 

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  posted on 3/25/2014 at 11:17 AM
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I'm not one to read between the lines, but I wonder if the event and the aftermath have been factors in Gregg's health and well being.




Not to say that Gregg is cold hearted, but I doubt one had an impact on the other.

 

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  posted on 3/25/2014 at 11:18 AM
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I'm not one to read between the lines, but I wonder if the event and the aftermath have been factors in Gregg's health and well being.




Not to say that Gregg is cold hearted, but I doubt one had an impact on the other.


This has nothing to do with Gregg. He is not producing the movie is he? He sold the film rights to the book. I'm sure he feels bad but he bears no responsibility at all.

 

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I'm not one to read between the lines, but I wonder if the event and the aftermath have been factors in Gregg's health and well being.




Not to say that Gregg is cold hearted, but I doubt one had an impact on the other.


This has nothing to do with Gregg. He is not producing the movie is he? He sold the film rights to the book. I'm sure he feels bad but he bears no responsibility at all.


This article says he and his mgr are executive producing:

http://www.deadline.com/2014/02/midnight-rider-gregg-allman-movie-open-road -pulling-out-accident/

Suit is coming:

http://www.gpb.org/news/2014/03/24/attorney-family-of-camera-assistant-kill ed-in-midnight-rider-train-shoot-preparing-l

Is Gregg's house in Chatham County? Medelin Studios is, so that may be how they get proper venue in Chatham.

 

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I'm not one to read between the lines, but I wonder if the event and the aftermath have been factors in Gregg's health and well being.




Not to say that Gregg is cold hearted, but I doubt one had an impact on the other.


This has nothing to do with Gregg. He is not producing the movie is he? He sold the film rights to the book. I'm sure he feels bad but he bears no responsibility at all.


Gregg is the Executive Producer.

Personally, I feel that the Director made the very bad decision to "steal" the shot. Don't know how high up the production ladder he looked for approval. It's in the hands of lawyers now.

 

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  posted on 3/25/2014 at 11:48 AM
This movie will never happen after the lawsuit bankrupts the production.......

 

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  posted on 3/25/2014 at 12:00 PM
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Do you think Hurt or any other A-leevel actor will ever step foot on the set again? I dont see it happening.


In my opinion, i thought a lot of the actors were going to do a terrible job anyway... not sure about Hurt, but the cast that was chosen to play the "young" allman brothers band was just awful

 

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  posted on 3/25/2014 at 01:45 PM
OK, you know you have 60 seconds to get off the tracks if a train comes, and you know it's not safe and you do it anyway? I'm sorry, but at what point do people get to be responsible for making the decision to proceed in face of basic common sense?

Every single person on this production who knew they had 60 seconds, or who knew the regular precautions were not in place, and went ahead with it anyway bears some responsibility.

stupid IS as stupid DID.

 

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  posted on 3/25/2014 at 02:07 PM
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OK, you know you have 60 seconds to get off the tracks if a train comes, and you know it's not safe and you do it anyway? I'm sorry, but at what point do people get to be responsible for making the decision to proceed in face of basic common sense?

Every single person on this production who knew they had 60 seconds, or who knew the regular precautions were not in place, and went ahead with it anyway bears some responsibility.

stupid IS as stupid DID.

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OK, you know you have 60 seconds to get off the tracks if a train comes, and you know it's not safe and you do it anyway? I'm sorry, but at what point do people get to be responsible for making the decision to proceed in face of basic common sense?

Every single person on this production who knew they had 60 seconds, or who knew the regular precautions were not in place, and went ahead with it anyway bears some responsibility.

stupid IS as stupid DID.



I understand your point of view. There are other factors to consider.

The cast and crew had a reasonable expectation that a Director would not be placing them in a dangerous situation. There is an expectation of workplace safety in every profession, at least here in the United States.

How many seconds (minutes?) before this shot was supposed to happen were they told that they'd have 60 seconds to clear the tracks? This was very likely last minute (last second) information. Also you must consider that production types fear being branded as difficult to work with - something that can effect their getting future jobs.

 

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  posted on 3/25/2014 at 03:27 PM
The 60 seconds was supposedly academic as there wasn't going to be any trains, according to reports.

Anyway, horrible screw-up by the director on the ground and - if they have any vicarious liability for his negligence/ recklessness - the producers too.



 

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Randal: So they build another Death Star, right?
Dante: Yeah.
Randal: Now the first one they built was completed and fully operational before the Rebels destroyed it.
Dante: Luke blew it up. Give credit where it's due.
Randal:And the second one was still being built when they blew it up.
Dante: Compliments of Lando Calrissian.
Randal: Something just never sat right with me the second time they destroyed it. I could never put my finger on it-something just wasn't right.
Dante: And you figured it out?
Randal: Well, the thing is, the first Death Star was manned by the Imperial army-storm troopers, dignitaries- the only people onboard were Imperials.
Dante: Basically.
Randal: So when they blew it up, no prob. Evil is punished.
Dante: And the second time around...?
Randal: The second time around, it wasn't even finished yet. They were still under construction.
Dante: So?
Randal: A construction job of that magnitude would require a helluva lot more manpower than the Imperial army had to offer. I'll bet there were independent contractors working on that thing: plumbers, aluminum siders, roofers.
Dante: Not just Imperials, is what you're getting at.
Randal: Exactly. In order to get it built quickly and quietly they'd hire anybody who could do the job. Do you think the average storm trooper knows how to install a toilet main? All they know is killing and white uniforms.
Dante: All right, so even if independent contractors are working on the Death Star, why are you uneasy with its destruction?
Randal: All those innocent contractors hired to do a job were killed- casualties of a war they had nothing to do with. (notices Dante's confusion) All right, look-you're a roofer, and some juicy government contract comes your way; you got the wife and kids and the two-story in suburbia-this is a government contract, which means all sorts of benefits. All of a sudden these left-wing militants blast you with lasers and wipe out everyone within a three-mile radius. You didn't ask for that. You have no personal politics. You're just trying to scrape out a living.
(The Blue-Collar Man (Thomas Burke) joins them.)
Blue-Collar Man: Excuse me. I don't mean to interrupt, but what were you talking about?
Randal: The ending of Return of the Jedi.
Dante: My friend is trying to convince me that any contractors working on the uncompleted Death Star were innocent victims when the space station was destroyed by the rebels.
Blue-Collar Man: Well, I'm a contractor myself. I'm a roofer... (digs into pocket and produces business card) Dunn and Reddy Home Improvements. And speaking as a roofer, I can say that a roofer's personal politics come heavily into play when choosing jobs.
Randal: Like when?
Blue-Collar Man: Three months ago I was offered a job up in the hills. A beautiful house with tons of property. It was a simple reshingling job, but I was told that if it was finished within a day, my price would be doubled. Then I realized whose house it was.
Dante: Whose house was it?
Blue-Collar Man: Dominick Bambino's.
Randal: "Babyface" Bambino? The gangster?
Blue-Collar Man: The same. The money was right, but the risk was too big. I knew who he was, and based on that, I passed the job on to a friend of mine.
Dante: Based on personal politics.
Blue-Collar Man: Right. And that week, the Foresci family put a hit on Babyface's house. My friend was shot and killed. He wasn't even finished shingling.
Randal: No way!
Blue-Collar Man: (paying for coffee) I'm alive because I knew there were risks involved taking on that particular client. My friend wasn't so lucky. (pauses to reflect) You know, any contractor willing to work on that Death Star knew the risks. If they were killed, it was their own fault. A roofer listens to this... (taps his heart) not his wallet.


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  posted on 3/25/2014 at 04:36 PM
regardless of the blame, the dudes with the money will be writing the cheques and that means producers etc. either they have insurance for this, which will also be tough to claim, meaning game over imo

 

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  posted on 3/25/2014 at 05:12 PM
Rusty: rest assured that I don't disagree with you, nor am I trying to 'blame' anyone.

And. I'm sorry. When people realize they can take responsibility they become proactive, not victims. In this case they helped victimize themselves. The 60 second warning wasn't something only known by Mr Hurt.

It does not take a rocket scientist to realize that this is terrifically unsafe. My grandson can figure this out.

I'm glad that all these people injured and the girl who was killed have reputations about being 'easy to work with' intact. It sure helps to be easy to work with when you are dead.


Pardon the sarcasm, not directed at you.

The culture of 'go along with it' fostered the deaths and the injuries and *every single person who knew what they were doing was unsafe and who went along with it contributed to the outcome**** and that is a fact.

Again, I'm not blaming anyone - just pointing out a lot of people had a choice and made a bad one. Something that is easily rectified.

 

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  posted on 3/25/2014 at 05:53 PM
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Again, I'm not blaming anyone

You are. It's tacky. Stop.

 

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  posted on 3/25/2014 at 07:59 PM

"You are. It's tacky. Stop."

Nope. To me, blaming sounds like this,
"If only you hadn't done thus and such, nothing would have been messed up" (whiny voice)
=Victim


Responsibility:
"Good choices help make good outcomes. A lot of people dropped the ball here, that can
be easily rectified: identify breakdown, address breakdown"
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Which one do you prefer?

When there's a grown adult with a brain who questions the 60 second rule and then GETS ON THE TRACKS (why? Because everyone else did? Yes.)

I'm suggesting res-pon-si-bil-i-ty




 

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"You are. It's tacky. Stop."

Nope. To me, blaming sounds like this,
"If only you hadn't done thus and such, nothing would have been messed up" (whiny voice)
=Victim


Responsibility:
"Good choices help make good outcomes. A lot of people dropped the ball here, that can
be easily rectified: identify breakdown, address breakdown"
=Victor

Which one do you prefer?

When there's a grown adult with a brain who questions the 60 second rule and then GETS ON THE TRACKS (why? Because everyone else did? Yes.)

I'm suggesting res-pon-si-bil-i-ty






I don't know I would say tacky, but you are absolutely insensitive. In a perfect world, the crew would have refused to place themselves at risk. You may be perfect, but the rest of the world is not. At this point in time, to state that the victim of this tragedy is "RES PON SI BLE" is plain wrong. Try having some COM PASS ION.

 

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  posted on 3/25/2014 at 11:54 PM
Personally I do have compassion. Don't act like I live in a world where nobody in my life has ever died suddenly - Get Real!

Personally if this discussion has any reader pondering the decisions made in life and the chances both missed AND TAKEN to speak up and avert a tragic, preventable accident or a cascade of stupid decisions then MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.

Some of us don't get off practicing to be Sheeple unable to exert our will and our intelligence and to move our feet and lips accordingly.

I work in a hospital. We're encouraged to work together, AND to speak up.

You choose; You want to go in for toe surgery with the team that triple checks patient, surgery, drugs, procedure before and surgical tool counts after?

Or do you want to have your legs amputated by mistake because everyone went on snooze; the 'system takes care of it'. We had a feeeeling it wasn't a good idea, but nobody said anything so we went along with it. Heck, we get paid by the hour. Gotta pay the bills, speaking up is too much to ask... God, we took off two legs when someone came in to have their toenail removed? It was the system. We aren't responsible. Feel terrible for the dude though. Can we send a card to the guy?

Everyone on that crew has searched their soul and asked themselves what they wouldn't give to have made a different decision. And if I sat on that bed and lived through that wreck it I'd look in the mirror and say, 'that was stupid of me'.

I care about the ones living who will have the fortitude to make a difference next time.






 

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  posted on 3/26/2014 at 12:13 AM
Hurt is a financial supporter of the director. I believe Hurt is a financial backer of this movie. I read this in a few of the Variety articles. If Hurt was there he is in trouble. If he is a financial backer he is in more trouble. Gregg, Ex Producer or not was most likely not involved in any of the day to day decision making and will likely not be responsible for the situation, unless there is evidence he knew of the decision to go on the tracks without permission. Again I find that doubtful. Executive Producers are often just figureheads.

The Director and the people running things that day are in a lot of trouble. especially if there is evidence they requested permission, knew it was denied and did it anyway.

I am sure the production had insurance. It is the criminal charges I would be worried about. I think the director is in deep do do.

[Edited on 3/26/2014 by roboto]

 

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  posted on 3/26/2014 at 02:06 AM
Gregg has less than zero to do with any of this - "executive producer" means he got some say in the final product. He wasn't involved in daily decisions, permits, etc etc or other la-di-da. I think that's obvious. No idea why people keep bringing that up.

I will be surprised if there aren't some other deaths involved with this as I'd think some of the nice white collar decision makers can't live with themselves and aren't gonna do the time - we might see a suicide or two before it's done.


 

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  posted on 3/26/2014 at 05:33 AM
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Personally I do have compassion.


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I will be surprised if there aren't some other deaths involved with this as I'd think some of the nice white collar decision makers can't live with themselves and aren't gonna do the time - we might see a suicide or two before it's done.


Hmmmm....

Moving on.... I seem to remember from reports of witness evidence that the director informed everyone that there would be two trains which passed, then no more. If there was any others, they would get an audible warning in advance (60 secs).

So, it was in the light of this that the company proceeded. In hindsight, this was unwise but, if someone in authority gives you an assurance of (relative) safety, most people would make an informed decision.

As for Mr Allman, he is the guy who boasted pre-production that he could "pull the plug on it any time." Unfortunately, he was thinking in terms of the movie making him look like "a weenie", and not something trivial like a fatal accident.




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  posted on 3/26/2014 at 06:38 AM
Even if Gregg bears no financial responsibility for the movie or did not have any voice in the decision making process, that won't stop the attorneys from going after anyone with ANY involvement in the film, especially if they have money. And given the tragedy that he has experienced in his life, I am sure this will effect him emotionally.

 

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  posted on 3/26/2014 at 10:23 AM
"Moving on.... I seem to remember from reports of witness evidence that the director informed everyone that there would be two trains which passed, then no more. If there was any others, they would get an audible warning in advance (60 secs).

So, it was in the light of this that the company proceeded. In hindsight, this was unwise but, if someone in authority gives you as assurance of (relative) safety, most people would make an informed decision."

If you read the accounts, in foresight, it was unwise. It did not take hindsight for people to figure out this was a terrifically lousy idea:

1) An announcement was made that people would have 60 seconds to clear the tracks if a train approached. People KNEW this going in.
2) Of the people who have spoken out either to reporters or who quoted via email and telephone calls from crew beforehand, there were a number of crew members who clearly did not feel particularly safe on the tracks, nor with the company
3) The shoot was on a railroad trestle - in some areas you could look through the base of the trestle right down on the water.
4) In this environment the crew wrestled a metal frame bed onto the tracks
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5) Where the bed was placed, had to run TOWARD the train to get off the trestle.


If you have the misfortune to see a picture of the train trestle, it will make you sick to your stomach.

This is isn't one quick decision to slap a bed on a track where there are clear sight lines and avenues of escape. This bunch worked really hard to place people in a spot without a safe escape route, and with material that could have derailed a train. Sadly, everyone went for it.





 
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