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  posted on 4/26/2011 at 12:18 AM
I am so excited to know that I will be in Woodstock area Saturday night at Levon's Barn!!!
I hope some of you fine people will be there so we can meet up. Please let me know if you will be attending this magnificent event.

 

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  posted on 4/27/2011 at 02:42 AM
does levon complain the whole time about robbie robertson?
 

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  posted on 4/27/2011 at 05:18 AM
No, he doesn't refer to him at all, It's well know that he left his deserving Band mates penniless, F' Robbie, he has chosen his own legacy, I wouldn't support him at all, you'd be hard pressed to find something listenable in his solo career.

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  posted on 4/27/2011 at 05:45 AM
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No, he doesn't refer to him at all, It's well know that he left his deserving Band mates penniless, F' Robbie, he has chosen his own legacy, I wouldn't support him at all, you'd be hard pressed to find something listenable in his solo career.

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robertson's newest solo album is fantastic and so was his first. i am not a fan of his native american influenced works.

i can't believe everything levon helm says. if the other members of THE BAND were really writing those great tunes how come when they reformed THE BAND without robertson they couldn't write a good tune to save their lives? helm's solo work is pretty weak too. the proof is in the pudding as the saying goes.

 

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  posted on 4/27/2011 at 09:23 AM
Hey Jordan, I am in (with my wife)!!! We plan for a quick (and early dinner), so we can get to the barn around 6 ish... will PM you!

 

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  posted on 4/27/2011 at 01:40 PM
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No, he doesn't refer to him at all, It's well know that he left his deserving Band mates penniless, F' Robbie, he has chosen his own legacy, I wouldn't support him at all, you'd be hard pressed to find something listenable in his solo career.

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robertson's newest solo album is fantastic and so was his first. i am not a fan of his native american influenced works.

i can't believe everything levon helm says. if the other members of THE BAND were really writing those great tunes how come when they reformed THE BAND without robertson they couldn't write a good tune to save their lives? helm's solo work is pretty weak too. the proof is in the pudding as the saying goes.





" helm's solo work is pretty weak too."


LOL,yeah,Ok....to each his own.IMO.his last two releases are amazing works.

 

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No, he doesn't refer to him at all, It's well know that he left his deserving Band mates penniless, F' Robbie, he has chosen his own legacy, I wouldn't support him at all, you'd be hard pressed to find something listenable in his solo career.

http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=41&thr eadid=52024


robertson's newest solo album is fantastic and so was his first. i am not a fan of his native american influenced works.

i can't believe everything levon helm says. if the other members of THE BAND were really writing those great tunes how come when they reformed THE BAND without robertson they couldn't write a good tune to save their lives? helm's solo work is pretty weak too. the proof is in the pudding as the saying goes.





" helm's solo work is pretty weak too."


LOL,yeah,Ok....to each his own.IMO.his last two releases are amazing works.



lol yeah ok he still didn't write most of the tunes which is the point. he claims he wrote all of these great tunes 40 years ago but now releases 2 solo albums in a row with 1 or 2 songs he wrote. makes me believe robertson really did write the songs for THE BAND

 

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  posted on 4/27/2011 at 09:39 PM
Levon did'nt claim to write all the classic tunes. He made the point that the whole band had input into alot of the classic tunes that Robbie wrote, and that Garth especially, did alot of the arrangments.
And Robbie' with the help of management, took all the songwriting credit and all the money that goes with that ,while the rest of the Band went broke.

 

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  posted on 4/27/2011 at 09:54 PM
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Levon did'nt claim to write all the classic tunes. He made the point that the whole band had input into alot of the classic tunes that Robbie wrote, and that Garth especially, did alot of the arrangments.
And Robbie' with the help of management, took all the songwriting credit and all the money that goes with that ,while the rest of the Band went broke.


This sounds like it is closer to the gripe Levon may have, although I don't think he is looking for the opportunity to talk about it. I enjoy his solo records quite a bit, and much of that is a credit to Larry Campbell. But, Levon loves the music and it shows. Artists like to be around him and I would love to get to "the Barn" for one of those nights. He has a genuine smile while performing and I really enjoyed the Levon helm band show I caught in Rochester a couple of summers ago. His joy for the music is infectious.
The Band is one of my all-time favorite groups and I believe Robbie does deserve most of the song-writing credits. I don't know what happened with all of that or between them, but I don't let it prevent me from enjoying both artists' contribution to the music world.

 

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  posted on 4/27/2011 at 10:20 PM
I’ll readily admit I am a Levon guy. I’ll also admit Robbie has some skills and while he may have brought some lyrics to the table, the words were tweaked and the musicial strength of “The Band” was the Band starting with Garth and Richard, wasn’t it Garth 5 yrs senior to most everyone else had to tell his parents that his classical training was being used to give the others lessons rather than waste his time and training on a rock and roll band.

The weakest link may very well have been Robbie who Ronnie Hawkins had trained by his own guitarist in 1960 “Roy Buchanan”, Roy trained the bass playing Robbie to replace him in The Hawks when he left.

The vocals which were a odd lot, but harmonized extremely well was Levon’s beautiful country warble to go along with Rick and Richards unique voicings to finalize the beauty that was the Band, many a band was exploited and left without their much deserved financial rewards by managers and record companies, but it’s a rarer and colder burn to have it done by a fellow band member and by all accounts Robbie profited at the expense of Rick, Garth, Richard, & Levon.

Different strokes for different folks, but I find no joy in any of Robbie’s solo efforts, I find it boring and unappealing, his vocal attempts are nothing more than trying to talk his way thru a song, if it had the magic of the others on vocals it might be different, but the material in my ears just ain’t strong, it certainly doesn’t meet my “listenable on a regular basis” requirement. If you like Robbie’s solo stuff and aren’t offended by his moral and ethical choices, I am glad for you, I’ve moved on. I guess I’ll go pop on Dirt Farmer and Electric Dirt. While Mr. Helm has struggled with throat cancer and other illnesses he still lays it down as only he can, He’s one our American National Treasures and to get back on topic I would love to see Warren join him in Woodstock, but sadly can’t make this Ramble. I’ve been there a few times even scored a sig’ once, It’s taboo now…..

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I recently bought one of these babies right from his site, combined with the shipping papers and envoice, it’s a sweet piece….

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Lastly between Mr Helm and Luther Dickinson I’ve grown to appreciate the sounds of a mandolin, One of the finest musical websites is The Mandolin Café, Here's a thread that I've posted a couple pic's from recent Levon shows. It has some nice info posts also, Love Ya Levon! Keep On Keepin' On!

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  posted on 4/27/2011 at 10:37 PM
FRETSMAN i see your point and if you read liner notes robertson states very clearly levon changed the lyrics to this song or garth added an arrangement to that song but rarely does a writing credit go to an entire group after they tweak an already written tune. almost every ABB instrumental says dickey betts wrote it. do you think he wrote every part or just the structure of the song? same with robertson. he had a sketch of the tunes and the guys banged them out but that doesn't warrant a writing credit
 

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  posted on 4/28/2011 at 08:24 AM
Great Alan look forward to seeing you and your lovely wife in Woodstock. Please PM me with your cell or I will get it from Cindy. Can't wait!!!!

 

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  posted on 4/28/2011 at 11:07 AM
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FRETSMAN i see your point and if you read liner notes robertson states very clearly levon changed the lyrics to this song or garth added an arrangement to that song but rarely does a writing credit go to an entire group after they tweak an already written tune. almost every ABB instrumental says dickey betts wrote it. do you think he wrote every part or just the structure of the song? same with robertson. he had a sketch of the tunes and the guys banged them out but that doesn't warrant a writing credit


The ABB is a great example of that. Both the songs Dickey wrote and the songs Gregg wrote. It is rare that the whole band is given writing credit. The Doors is an example of that. I have no doubt that Robbie Robertson was the genius behind those great songs. The entire Band obviously had input on the arrangements once the demos were brought in but it is not typical to give them songwriting credit for that.

 

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  posted on 4/28/2011 at 11:58 AM
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Great Alan look forward to seeing you and your lovely wife in Woodstock. Please PM me with your cell or I will get it from Cindy. Can't wait!!!!



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  posted on 4/28/2011 at 12:01 PM
I own the solo disc Robbie put out several years ago with the Native American singers and musicians. I really dig it and find it quite inspirational. Good stuff in my opinion. I also have heard a few tracks from his new solo disc as he played a few while guest hosting a show on the Sirius/XM channel "The Loft" a couple weeks back. He specifically was asked by the DJ about the breakup of The Band and the way he explained it, it was not supposed to be permanent when they filmed The Last Waltz, but only a hiatus. According to him they were supposed to reconvene and make another album. He claims he actually showed up at the planned rendezvous location at a studio in Hawaii but no one else showed. He also mentioned that all the members where experiencing serious health, drug, or money issues at the time the decision was made to take the hiatus and get away from the craziness. It was a very enjoyable couple hours listening to his new tunes, some of his heroes, and about the recording process of the new album. Can't beat Sirius/XM when it comes to this kind of thing.
 

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  posted on 4/28/2011 at 04:33 PM
i think most of robertsons money has been made doing music for movies

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  posted on 4/28/2011 at 07:18 PM
It's an unfortunate quarrel, for sure.

I think it is interesting that on the great old Genesis albums, the Peter Gabriel years of "Selling England" and "The Lamb," the band shared songwriting credits. Once he left, the members started getting individual credits on a song-by-song basis.

Likewise, the classic Deep Purple line-up of "Machine Head" and "In Rock" had group credits, but once Gillan & Glover were out, the members started getting individual credits.

I think it was an interview with REM where I read that they just used a full-band credit so that everyone would be sure that the best songs and best parts were included, that no one was motivated by $$ to get "their" parts in since everyone had equal credit & cash no matter who contributed what. Good idea.

 

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  posted on 4/29/2011 at 08:01 AM
WOW this looks great. Cant wait to read the reviews. Y'all have a good time
 

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  posted on 4/30/2011 at 11:10 PM
I would also love to hear some info about this show, had to be sweet!
 

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  posted on 4/30/2011 at 11:53 PM
Too tired to post much, but it was an amazing night. Warren's solo set featured a few songs from Man in Motion, he had sit-ins by Hook Herrera and Danny Louis.

Larry Campbell was out with Hot Tuna, so his shoes were filled by.. Warren Haynes, so we got a double dose of the man. Donald Fagen was also in most of the night. The band tore through wide range of material by The Band, a bunch of blues, a few Dylan tunes (Blind Willie McTell) ending with Shakedown Street, I shall Be Released, and the Weight.

I was glad to finally have the chance to meet Billy Cant, his wife and two children (thanks for the setlist!!!) and to see Jordan (Palmhead).

What an experience, like no other music experience... go when you have the chance.

 

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  posted on 5/1/2011 at 01:44 AM
Nice, Thanx for posting, Sounds like it was a blast.
 

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Too tired to post much, but it was an amazing night. Warren's solo set featured a few songs from Man in Motion, he had sit-ins by Hook Herrera and Danny Louis.

Larry Campbell was out with Hot Tuna, so his shoes were filled by.. Warren Haynes, so we got a double dose of the man. Donald Fagen was also in most of the night. The band tore through wide range of material by The Band, a bunch of blues, a few Dylan tunes (Blind Willie McTell) ending with Shakedown Street, I shall Be Released, and the Weight.

I was glad to finally have the chance to meet Billy Cant, his wife and two children (thanks for the setlist!!!) and to see Jordan (Palmhead).

What an experience, like no other music experience... go when you have the chance.


Thanks for the review.Glad you had a good time Alan.

 

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  posted on 5/2/2011 at 01:21 PM
Jim Sheridan, you beat me to it when mentioning REM and the reason for their "All songs by BerryBuckMillsStipe". Widespread Panic have done the same thing since the beginning too, for the same reason.

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  posted on 5/2/2011 at 11:36 PM
Alan it was good seeing you and your lovely wife. I have seen a lot of great live Music and this show and experience was certainly among the best. Warren's set was amazing. He opened with a beautiful Real Thing solo and acoustic. Patchwork Quilt which was also performed on the acoustic guitar by Mr Haynes was inspirational. I had major chills going down by spine and my good friend who got me the tickets and is a very Deadicated DeadHead was visibly sobbing during this song. Warren played one Blues song on his Red Gibson ES 335 with harp player extraordinaire Hooks Herrara who played some beautiful mournful,subtle and powerful harmonica to Warren's soulful singing and playing. Brian Mitchell, Levon's keyboardist and vocalist accompanied Warren on Baby Grand on a couple of songs ,including Beautifully Broken and complimented Warren's singing and playing gracefully. The Warren set was spectacular. It was so great seeing such a talented man in such an intimate setting. It was almost like watching Warren spilling out his heart and soul for you in Levon's living room!!!

What a wonderful homey,intimate venue. What nice people to put on a show framed by such a pretty natural setting on a very comfortable and cool April /May Spring evening.

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  posted on 5/2/2011 at 11:55 PM
The Levon Helm Band was fantastic!!! Warren helped lead the band along with Brian Mitchell. All the musicians were top notch. They had a excellent 4 piece horn section. Jimmy Weider and Warren ripped on guitar. Great vocals from Warren,Brian Mitchell,Donald Fagan and Amy Helm. Levon sang on a song or two and even though his voice was very rough he still sang with great passion and enthusiasm. Hooks Herrara also reappeared for some great harp playing. Some of the highlights were Life is a Carnival,Orphelia, and Mr. Haynes sang Hurts Me Too with much gusto by Mr.Haynes. I loved Shakedown Street and a great arrangement of Black Friday both sung by Mr. Fagan. During the show, it was good to see the great love between Levon and his baby laden daughter Amy. On one song that she sang, Grandpa Helm,Levon, was watching her sing beaming with pride. Brian Mitchell did a great job on vocals and piano and Hammond. He definitely had a New Orleans flavor.Mr. Fagan played both piano and Hammond B-3 with class and though I could not see him from where I was sitting, Danny Louis contributed to the keyboard section of this great band. Byron House sang a song and played fine acoustic bass during the whole Levon Helm set. Levon Helms is an absolute pleasure to watch. He is still a fine drummer and looks like he is having a ball. Both I Shall Be Released and the Weight to end the show was beautiful icing on this lovely cake. What a fantastic time for me and my four fine crazy hilarious, Brothers from Massapequa. Thank you Mr. Helm for allowing us to be your guests, for your warm hospitality and for an amazing evening of Music.

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