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  posted on 12/7/2019 at 10:32 PM
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1-22-1975 Set 2

1. Come and Go Blues
2. Midnight Rider
3. These Days
4. Crossroads

1-23-1975 Set 1

1. Come and Go Blues
2. Midnight Rider
3. Melissa
4. Crossroads
5. One Way Out
6. Stormy Monday

Gregg was the opening act for Etta James. .The 23rd is also when Gregg met Cher. She was there with David Geffin

 

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  posted on 12/8/2019 at 07:50 AM
Come and go blues is a masterpiece.
 

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  posted on 12/8/2019 at 09:52 AM
Yes this is when Gregg met Cher. Gregg said she even smelled sexy.

Next the Allman Brothers embarked on their delayed follow up on the biggest album they ever had, Brothers and Sisters. It was number one for 5 weeks on the Billboard top 200 album chart and sold over 4 million copies. Capricorn records and the band, especially Dickey Betts, were rolling in the money on that album. Phil Walden naturally wanted a follow up in 1974 with more tracks that would continue the sound the band developed with Brothers and Sisters. A sound that was guided by the 4 songs Dickey wrote and the style and ideas added by hiring Chuck Leavell.

But Dickey wanted to put out his own solo album because Gregg did. But Gregg did because the band and especially Butch didn't want Queen of Hearts on the album so Gregg got pissed and even broke into Capricorn studios to start the album Laid Back.

The follow up album became a disaster. Johnny Sandlin has well documented how trying and difficult that album was and how Grsgg largely refused to participate. But with heavy pressure from Phil Walden, Johnny flew to Los Angeles and recorded Gregg's part at the Record Plant in LA.

The album created cracks in the band and strained the relationship of all involved except Chuck, Lamar and Jaimoe who grew tighter while everyone was waiting for Gregg and Dickey to show up and they formed a band called We Three. Later it became Sea Level.

The album finally came out. It was uneven and jaded. A few tracks did sound like additional tracks from Brothers and Sisters. Sales were disappointing. About 800,000 copies. That would be huge for the band after 1989 but disappointing after selling over 4 million copies!

Eventually Butch Trucks told the press about how frustrating the process was and " You can't count on Gregg Allman for anything"

I wondered how the band could go so quickly from the most popular band in America to this! The vision and energy they were riding from Duane Allman was lost. I wondered if they would break up. But the few shows I saw on the Win, Loose or Draw tour were pretty good and on some songs they really hooked together. Chuck was even singing Dickey's Long Time Gone from Highway Call and the opening of Midnight Rider had the Laid Back intro. But in 1976 at Roanoke, Virginia, they played what I thought was their last as Dickey and Butch walked over the Scooter Herring deal and said they would never play with Gregg again. Some may not know this but Butch wanted to be in Sea Level and they played some shows with Butch but it didn't work. Chuck Leavell told the press in North Carolina with me standing there too at a club in Greensboro that " I like it better with just the 4 of us. I told Butch it just wasn't working".

The Allman Brothers did resurrect from the ashes especially from 1989. But NEVER again was the Allman Brothers a big as they were in 1972, 73 and 74. They had one more 800,000 copies album after Win, Lose or Draw, Enlighten Rogues. After that with the exception of Where It All Begins selling 500,000 copies in 1994, did they have another gold album and NO platinum albums.

Surprisingly a collection of tracks from their old albums including several tracks with Duane released in 1991 did sell over 2 million copies, double platinum.

On the plus side the band became a money maker live starting in 1989 and sold out the Beacon Theater hundreds of times. And most of the shows from 1989 to 2014 were outstanding for our band and our kind of music.

[Edited on 12/8/2019 by blackey]

 

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  posted on 12/8/2019 at 11:22 AM
Ah the days of stealth recording. We got to the late show on the 22nd and sat in the balcony. I can't remember why I didn't get the electric set. We came back on the 23rd for both sets. This time we were on the floor very close to Gregg. Again I can't remember why I didn't get all of the electric set. During Etta James set she indroduced Cher and David Geffin seated to our right near the back of the floor. I was finally able to get all of Gregg's second set. It was a great night. As we left out the back we saw Gregg, Cher and David by their limo's having a chat. I was so glad that I was able to catch this on tape.

 

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  posted on 12/8/2019 at 12:08 PM
Yes I'm glad you did too. Gregg's fall solo tour ended in December 1974 and I caught one show at a College in early December, 1974 and Gregg was supporting his live solo album which had Cowboy on two tracks and horns and strings which was recorded live during Gregg's solo tour supporting Laid Back which came out in November of 1973 and sold about 800,000 copies and went gold . 1973 had Phil Walden beaming with Brothers and Sisters 4x Platinum and Laid Back Gold.

Back here on the esst coast us big fans here didn't even know Gregg played in January 1975 until Gregg's relationship with Cher became public. Gregg Allman and Cher were on the cover of every magazine in the country in 1975 and Butch Trucks was outraged and Dickey too was irritated partly because they would have things ready at the studio to work on the next ABB album and Gregg was continually a no show. So they began recording without him. One night Dickey showed up demanding Johnny Sandlin record. Chuck and Lamar were there and Dickey was irritated so Johnny didnt even take the time to find Butch and Jaimoe so they recorded Louisiana Lou and 3 card Monty John and Sweet Mama with Johnny and Bill Stewart on drums. I think Gre gg added an organ track to 3 Card in LA and didnt appear on Sweet Mama or Just Another Love Song. Gregg really didn't give a darn about that album and who could blame him with Cher and a big LA mansion, proud of Laidback and his two solo tours and still irritated about Queen of Hearts. And with Duane and Berry gone, it wasn't the same vibe in the ABB. But according to Gregg's book, he came down from the bed room in Cher's mansion and Dickey was sitting there and didnt even speak to Gregg. Think about it!! Duane Allman would not approve. This is not how this band operated when they recorded Fillmore East. Clearly egos, lots of money, drugs and alcohol and Hollywood stars were ruining the brotherhood. Maybe Duane and Berry would have fallen victim to those enormous temptations but I would like to think not.

It would have been better if Brothers and Sisters had Queen of Hearts on it and had sold 200,000 copies and Gregory had never met Cher for us old fans. We loved the live shows and didn't care if the albums sold. Just like the fans of the last lineup. Wait!! What albums??? They only had one. Just kidding. That wasn't the fault of Warren, Derek, Otiel and Marc.

 

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  posted on 12/8/2019 at 01:20 PM
Wow, thanks for posting.

Who was in the lineup then?

 

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  posted on 12/8/2019 at 02:02 PM
In the Allman Brothers then was Gregg Allman, Dickey Betts, Chuck Leavell, Lamar Williams, Butch Trucks and Jaimoe.

I think Gregg's solo band in the fall of 74 was Gregg, David Brown i
on bass, Scott Boyer and Tommy Talton on guitar, Chuck Leavell on piano and Bill Stewart on drums. I can't recall Jaimoe on that December 1974 show but on the spring shows it was Jaimoe on drums and Bill Stewart also on drums. I remember Gregg quoted in the press during the 1974 spring tour as saying " Of course Jaimoe is in the band. I couldn't think about playing and not seeing Jaimoe on drums when I looked to my left"

In 2005 Gregg said " When I look to my left I'm not seeing any of the old guys...I'm the only one left on the front line. I have to look over at the drums to see an original Allman Brother".

When I saw the summer 2000 lineup, I didn't like it. The vibe was all wrong. As much as I liked Derek, Jimmy Herring and Otiel as players, it just wasn't the Allman Brothers to me. I was done. After all these years and so many ups and downs and dozens of shows, I was done. This had evolved into a tribute band. Not enough original members. Then after a couple of years and thinking Dickey played with Duane and Berry and Derek, Otiel and Warren all played in the band with Dickey, then I could see a thread of continuity. It didnt then seem like Lynyrd Skynyrd with ONE original member or when I saw The Guess Who at a street festival and only the drummer was in the original band. I remember the Drifters played a club in my town in the early 1990s. I didnt go but read in the paper a day or so later that NONE of the original members, NONE of the guys who sang in the records were in the current lineup.

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  posted on 12/8/2019 at 04:03 PM
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Wow, thanks for posting.

Who was in the lineup then?


Of these two nights? Sal would be the go to guy for that. If I remember correctly, I think Sal mentioned to me some time back that Etta's band supported Gregg for these shows.

Sal?

 

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  posted on 12/8/2019 at 04:39 PM
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Wow, thanks for posting.

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Of these two nights? Sal would be the go to guy for that. If I remember correctly, I think Sal mentioned to me some time back that Etta's band supported Gregg for these shows.

Sal?


That would be correct Steve. The musicians were from Etta's band.

 

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  posted on 12/8/2019 at 07:45 PM
Thank you from me too. I followed the band closely from early 1970 forward and various tour information could be found in magazines etc, sometimes in an advertisement for the band and a new album and a tour itinerary would be in the advertisement. But you better call the shows you could make to be sure something hadn't been changed or canceled. Sometimes flyers at the local record store would have tour info. Wasn't as convenient back then with no internet. Sure glad Al Gore came along and invented it.

There was nothing about Gregg playing in January 1975. I found out he played those two shows when the tabloids began wall to wall coverage of Gregg and Cher being together. They were mentioned because of the story as to how they met. I think Gregg said somebody pointed out Cher in the audience and he had a note delivered to her.

I assumed the band he used on his fall tour that wrapped in December 1974 was who backed him up but that is not the case. Wonder how Gregg came to do those shows and how Cher who was still having hits in the 1970's came to see Etta James who apparently had not had a song on the chart in some time? Well sounds like s Gregg wants an excuse to meet Cher plot to me

 

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Wow! This is an unexpected gem. Thank you. Is there way I can download this show? I don't subscribe to YouTube but all my music, 100+ Allmans bootlegs included, is on Googleplay.

 

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Ah the days of stealth recording. We got to the late show on the 22nd and sat in the balcony. I can't remember why I didn't get the electric set. We came back on the 23rd for both sets. This time we were on the floor very close to Gregg. Again I can't remember why I didn't get all of the electric set. During Etta James set she indroduced Cher and David Geffin seated to our right near the back of the floor. I was finally able to get all of Gregg's second set. It was a great night. As we left out the back we saw Gregg, Cher and David by their limo's having a chat. I was so glad that I was able to catch this on tape.


I'm glad too. Thanks. Awesome.

 

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  posted on 12/9/2019 at 09:56 AM
a big thank you for this gem.
particularly the Stormy Monday(the first one) and
THE B-3 SOLO IS DEDICATED TO BIGV LOL

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a big thank you for this gem.
particularly the Stormy Monday(the first one) and
THE B-3 SOLO IS DEDICATED TO BIGV LOL


Sounds a lot like a solo on electric piano w/Gregg playing the B-3 in the background.

 

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a big thank you for this gem.
particularly the Stormy Monday(the first one) and
THE B-3 SOLO IS DEDICATED TO BIGV LOL


Sounds a lot like a solo on electric piano w/Gregg playing the B-3 in the background.



There are two versions of Stormy Monday on this YouTube.
The incredible Gregg solo is on the first version-which did you hear?

 

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  posted on 12/10/2019 at 09:30 PM
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Wow! This is an unexpected gem. Thank you. Is there way I can download this show? I don't subscribe to YouTube but all my music, 100+ Allmans bootlegs included, is on Googleplay.


I use You Tube Free Downloader. It's never let me down.

 

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