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  posted on 1/18/2020 at 12:06 PM
https://youtu.be/Yw74sDWPH7U

I saw Steve once in the 1980's in David Lee Roth's band and thought he probably was more advanced technically than Eddie Van Halen.

 

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  posted on 1/18/2020 at 12:12 PM
Mind you, it could have been one guy in his basement clicking the "submit" button 50,000 times.....

lol. Vai is a beast. I'm not really a fan of his. I have his stuff with DLR, I bought "Flexable" and "Passion and Warfare" back in the day, and of course I saw the movie "Crossroads" over and over to rewind That Scene, and I got to see him live twice with DLR. He is immensely talented and very creative and has an impressive work ethic and is good to his fans.

His stuff just doesn't move me. Some folks like chicken, others prefer steak. It's just personal preference.

 

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  posted on 1/18/2020 at 12:35 PM
I agree Jim. I'm not a big fan either. I must give credit where it is due though. I'm sure the guitar players who vote handed Steve the prize due to his immense technical skills. So I acknowledge his superior skills when compared to most other players. But I rarely listen to him. I'm 73 years old and since I was 24 years old, I listen 60 to 70 percent of the time to Allman Brothers related music. When I listen to Fillmore East or Eat A Peach etc by the ABB, it's the entire band that moves me spiritually.

If Fillmore East suddenly had a couple technically better players such as Steve Via instead of Dickey or Buddy Rich or Steve Gadd instead of Butch or Stanley Clark instead of Berry..it would probably ruin it.

 

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  posted on 1/18/2020 at 04:10 PM
You're talkin' about the guitar player Frank Zappa hired to notate (write down) his music. Many of FZ's song lyrics were about Steve's encounters with groupies.

 

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  posted on 1/18/2020 at 04:33 PM
Well technically Steve Via made be the best guitar player on the planet with an electric. Even all the weird stuff and harmonics and noises sound as if that is exactly what he wanted.

But I'm not in the mood to hear Steve every day but never tire of Derek,Dickey, Warren, Duane etc.

Speaking of Duane...another Duane, Duane Betts has pictures on his Facebook page of his current vacation in Hawaii. He and his new bride were just in the Bahamas before the last tour of Allman Betts. And he lives in a killer condo in Malibu, California and flies all over the place. Did he make that kind of money in Dawes? Or Great Southern?

Allman Betts going to Japan too. That band certainly has a chance of being as big as TTB or Mule? Maybe?

 

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  posted on 1/18/2020 at 05:40 PM
He is insanely talented and technically advanced. I have the utmost respect for his abilities.
That being said, hes not my cup of tea. As a fan of jazz, blues and soul music I tend to enjoy more subtle guitar work where each note carries more importance.
If I am in a shred mood where I just want to satisfy my inner guitar geek, I like Guthrie Govan.
He played with Asia in the late 80s but has since gone on to a pretty prolific solo career.
For me he bridges the gap between blues and shred nicely and covers a lot of ground in terms of his stylistic influences.
I was lucky enough to chat with him for a while maybe 7 years ago and he absolutely loves Derek Trucks playing, he does a lot of slide emulation with the whammy bar much like Jimmy Herring. He mentioned an Indian guitarist named Prasanna and Derek as two of his favorite guys currently.
Heres one from his current trio, The Aristocrats
Furtive Jack
https://youtu.be/Io-f6yYOZ0c



 

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  posted on 1/18/2020 at 09:00 PM
Nice discovery for me. I don't recall hearing of Govan before. He is a technical wizard. More technically advanced than many guitarists I love including Derek Trucks. But to me it's hard to compare Derek to other guitarists because he is so different. Derek incorporates the slide bottle into much of his playing and he doesn't use a pick or whammy bar. And brings a new pallet of color to some of his guitar playing. Derek basicly has his own lane he travels in. Derek recently said his style is 60% Duane Allman, 30% Elmore James and the rest is from some eastern musicians he discovered. Derek also said he doesn't want to be influenced by other guitar players goeing forward so when he listens to other players for inspiration it's not guitar players but horn players.

I noticed Govan has a nice sounding Charvel guitar. Charvel, Jackson, Dean, Hamer, Ibenez, Kramer etc built their companies making superstrat type guitars. Imitating the Fender Stratocaster design but with more powerful pickups, thinner necks, more frets, deeper horns etc to appeal to metal shredders. One theory is Eddie Van Halen began the superstrat thing when he modified a Fender Stratocaster adding among other things a Gibson humbucker pickup.

The headstock is one place on a guitar that if another company gets too close you can be sued for stealing another companies design. Notice Guthrie Govan's headstock. I saw a guitarist at a club several years ago with a Charvel guitar and his headstock like Govan's too was exactly like a Fender Stratocaster. When I asked him during the break how does Charvel keep from being sued by Fender, he said Fender owns Charvel. Bought them many years ago and also now owns Jackson guitars.

 

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  posted on 1/18/2020 at 09:28 PM
If I was a german just learning english I would say, "Vai? Vai vould anyvone listen to zis?"

 

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  posted on 1/18/2020 at 09:42 PM
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If I was a german just learning english I would say, "Vai? Vai vould anyvone listen to zis?"


LMFAO

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  posted on 1/20/2020 at 04:19 PM
Saw him open the original Crossroads in Dallas in '04. Was entertaining.

That being said, 50,000 people probably voted Creed as the best band of the 90's somewhere out there...haha.

 

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  posted on 1/20/2020 at 07:01 PM
rationalrebel. I'm sorry. I gave the wrong impression. Steve Via got more votes than any other electric guitar player. No all 50 000 respondents voted for Vai. I haven't looked at it in a couple weeks but I think Derek Trucks was 6th. Surprisingly Warren was not on the list. If he was I didnt notice his name when I scanned it.

 

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  posted on 1/21/2020 at 12:33 AM
Definition of List : a simple series of words or numerals

Anyone can make one up.

Steve Vai can dance all over the guitar and do it all day long and maybe not even repeat himself....but where is the song?

i think my favorite thing by him is that song in Crossroads.

Satriani is similar although for an album or two, he got the song format down better than Vai did.

For guitar heroics, those lucky enough to be able to see UFO's Last Tour, Vinnie Moore is as good as it gets in that guitar genre plus you get the "songs". 30 minutes of the last 45 are basically a guitar solo. Smoking. A guitar display of epic proportions and played flawlessly. Everything is so simple to him or at least it seems that way. Sweep picking, alternate picking and picking that hasn't even been given a name yet. Total knowledge of the fretboard and ability to roam at will.

I will take him before Steve Vai and day. Guess I wasn't one of the 50,000. LOL

Speaking of guitar magazines, they are almost offering me money to take the magazines now. It cost more for one magazine 20 years ago than a year's worth now and they send it to you. LOL

I support them though as we need to keep Al Paul/Andy Aledort making the odd dollar.

I think the last offer that I got e-mailed to me was

A Year's Subscription
A DVD
An Additional Online Magazine Of Choice
Signed Copy Of Al/Andy's Book
Jam session with them in my basement studio.
Night at The Playboy Mansion

All for $1

Been going over old magazine in an effort to clear some stuff and both of those guys are absolute class acts and their work in the magazines is some of the very best. Both deserve a Guitarist Appreciation Standing Ovation for service to the guitar community and in particular their work with the ABB/Family Bands.

Lots of respect. Now my wife blames them of course. Instead of working on sorting and getting rid of stuff. I am reading old guitar magazines.

Anyone want to buy 40+ years worth of guitar mags?

 

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  posted on 1/21/2020 at 11:11 AM
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Definition of List : a simple series of words or numerals

Anyone can make one up.

Steve Vai can dance all over the guitar and do it all day long and maybe not even repeat himself....but where is the song?

i think my favorite thing by him is that song in Crossroads.

Satriani is similar although for an album or two, he got the song format down better than Vai did.

For guitar heroics, those lucky enough to be able to see UFO's Last Tour, Vinnie Moore is as good as it gets in that guitar genre plus you get the "songs". 30 minutes of the last 45 are basically a guitar solo. Smoking. A guitar display of epic proportions and played flawlessly. Everything is so simple to him or at least it seems that way. Sweep picking, alternate picking and picking that hasn't even been given a name yet. Total knowledge of the fretboard and ability to roam at will.

I will take him before Steve Vai and day. Guess I wasn't one of the 50,000. LOL

Speaking of guitar magazines, they are almost offering me money to take the magazines now. It cost more for one magazine 20 years ago than a year's worth now and they send it to you. LOL

I support them though as we need to keep Al Paul/Andy Aledort making the odd dollar.

I think the last offer that I got e-mailed to me was

A Year's Subscription
A DVD
An Additional Online Magazine Of Choice
Signed Copy Of Al/Andy's Book
Jam session with them in my basement studio.
Night at The Playboy Mansion

All for $1

Been going over old magazine in an effort to clear some stuff and both of those guys are absolute class acts and their work in the magazines is some of the very best. Both deserve a Guitarist Appreciation Standing Ovation for service to the guitar community and in particular their work with the ABB/Family Bands.

Lots of respect. Now my wife blames them of course. Instead of working on sorting and getting rid of stuff. I am reading old guitar magazines.

Anyone want to buy 40+ years worth of guitar mags?


Hey James...check your PM.

I renewed my subscriptions to Guitar World and Guitar Player a few months ago. Love getting hard copies in the mail and reading them. Premier guitar is good too. There is a chain of Bookstores in Indy called Half Price Books. They sell used books,cd's,vinyl,magazines,dvd's,overstocks, and etc..pretty cool stores. When I am there I always go and look through the music,guitar ones to see what I can find. A couple of years ago I found about a dozen of British Guitar magazines. Those were pretty neat find. Expensive to buy in the store new since they are imports...I got them dirt cheap.

 

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  posted on 1/21/2020 at 11:13 PM
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Speaking of Duane...another Duane, Duane Betts has pictures on his Facebook page of his current vacation in Hawaii. He and his new bride were just in the Bahamas before the last tour of Allman Betts. And he lives in a killer condo in Malibu, California and flies all over the place. Did he make that kind of money in Dawes? Or Great Southern?


I am certainly in no position to know, but personally I think Daddy has been very generous to him. No, I don't think he acquired that lifestyle playing in Dawes or Great Southern. I DO think Daddy has more than a few bucks lying around and wants to see his kid enjoy some of it before he kicks.

 

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  posted on 1/22/2020 at 01:51 AM
Saw him in 1981 in Dallas, part of Frank Zappa band. He was a skinny 24 year old kid, and he just killed it on guitar!, Frank was grinning during his solos.
 

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  posted on 1/22/2020 at 08:40 AM
Steve Vai is obviously a great player, but not my cup of tea. I don't think I could sit through a whole show of his material. Eric Johnson is the same scenario. I like great playing combined with great songs... ABB

 

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... Eric Johnson is the same scenario. I like great playing combined with great songs... ABB


Wow! Gotta respectfully disagree here. As a pseudo-rule, I generally do not care much for what I call "processed guitar sound". A lot of the shredders and metal heads certainly have their merits, but their music (including solos) just isn't a pretty sound. I've seen Eric Johnson several times. After each show - and for several weeks afterward, I generally swear that he's certainly among the greatest living players. He is known for dramatic electric guitar fireworks, but he also does some fine acoustic work. Decent vocalist, too. "Cliffs of Dover" is one of the finest instrumental pieces I have ever heard!

EDIT - change "respectively" to respectfully".

[Edited on 1/22/2020 by Rusty]

 

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... Eric Johnson is the same scenario. I like great playing combined with great songs... ABB


Wow! Gotta respectfully disagree here. As a pseudo-rule, I generally do not care much for what I call "processed guitar sound". A lot of the shredders and metal heads certainly have their merits, but their music (including solos) just isn't a pretty sound. I've seen Eric Johnson several times. After each show - and for several weeks afterward, I generally swear that he's certainly among the greatest living players. He is known for dramatic electric guitar fireworks, but he also does some fine acoustic work. Decent vocalist, too. "Cliffs of Dover" is one of the finest instrumental pieces I have ever heard!

EDIT - change "respectively" to respectfully".

[Edited on 1/22/2020 by Rusty]


I get where your coming from... no disrespect to Eric at all... I have seen him maybe 3-4 times over the years... at some point during the show though it all starts to run into one song for me...

 

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  posted on 1/22/2020 at 10:12 AM
Eric Johnson is a fantastic guitar player. He can run up and down the neck with blazing speed and squeaky clean. But like redhouse 1969, after half the set the astonishment of how good he is begins to wane and it becomes repetitive.

I saw David Lee Rorth when California Girls was a hit and Steve Vai was amazing too but had more in his bag of tricks so one didnt get tired of watching him as quickly.

Saw Gary Moore shortly after when Gary was into hardrock and using a Stratocaster and working that whammy bar. Before seeing Steve and Gary I thought Eddie Van Halen was the only player there was who could shred and whammy bar on that level except Jeff Beck but Beck is a different kind of player and not actually a shredder. Remember EVH's solo on Michael Jackson's Beat It? I thought only Eddie could play like that.

The thing I discovered when seeing Steve Vai and Gary Moore was Eddie Van Hale wasn't alone. Ed could smoke Jimmy Page, Clapton, anyone who has been in the ABB etc as far as speed and dynamics are concerned but Eddie Van Halen couldn't blow Steve Vai or Gary Moore off the stage. No way.

 

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  posted on 1/22/2020 at 10:38 AM
He's my 3rd favorite "Steve" guitarist, right after Morse and Howe!

 

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  posted on 1/22/2020 at 12:32 PM
There's great technical ability...

There's innate musicality...

There's ability to play diverse styles...

There's pure musical SOUL...

For me on guitar, TERRY KATH was all the above and then some...And that's not even mentioning his soulful vocal ability.
Nothing to do with whether you liked his band or not....Just strictly from a guitar playing standpoint, a MONSTER PLAYER,
simply because he combined all these best qualities into one package.

And he is RARELY if ever mentioned in any so-called "Greatest Guitarists" lists.
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  posted on 1/22/2020 at 01:01 PM
I don't know if it matters much, but what poll was this? I can't find any poll like that from Guitar Magazine. Guitar World did some reader polls like this with 50,000 to 60,000 votes, including a blues guitar poll where Joe Bonamassa was #1 and Derek was third, and a guitarist of the decade thing where Mark Tremonti won. It doesn't affect the technique vs. emotion discussion or who anyone's favorite guitarist is, of course...
 

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  posted on 1/22/2020 at 01:15 PM
To me Morse and Howe are hard rock or metal shredders. But like Eric Johnson or some of the jazz players such as Gerorge Benson, they can really fly doing that double stroking superfast run up or down the neck.

I forgot about Terry Kath. I saw Chicago in 1970 and 1971 and Terry could really bring it. Chicago sold a lot of records and Peter Ceteria (sp?) left the band (vocals and bass) and had a successful solo career. But I dont hear much about that band now.

I think Terry shot himself but it may have been an accident.

I think Terry played a Strat when I saw him and maybe an ES 335 the other time. Hard to remember.

Being a Gibson fan, I do remember how odd it seemed for 2 or 3 years in the late 90's when no Gibson guitars were on stage with the ABB. Jack Pearson played a G and L Strat, Dickey a Fender Stratocaster and Otiel a Fender bass.

A friend insisted Fender had to be paying the ABB for that but Dickey said it just fell that way. Dickey was irritated at Gibson for ignoring him, Jack wasn't a big Gibson player and Dickey couldn't remember what Otiel played.

 

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  posted on 1/22/2020 at 01:26 PM
Marley I saw it on Google News last week. I browsed the list to see if any ABB related players were there but only Derek Trucks. Steve Vai was number one and 50,000 guitar player/fans voted.

 

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  posted on 1/22/2020 at 10:14 PM
Listen to this on a good set of JBL headphones cranked to 9 or 10.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGbvxLDTx8s

Granted, it's early 1970's sound quality and nowhere near today's digital clarity...
50,000 people can have Steve Vai, he's a great guitar player. At least he's still alive.

But gimme this guy any day. Because this is pure, 100%, un-doctored, un-processed, REAL balls-to-the-wall SOUL on 6 electric strings right there. The tone, the rhythm, the delivery. Undeniable.

Gone 42 years 1/23/2020. RIP.


 
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